[cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC

Rob Gault Rob at GaultAuto.com
Mon Apr 21 11:23:12 EDT 2008 

I've been using FAC w/ an h.323 gateway for quite some time with out issue.

Currently running UCM6.0.1 and ios 12.4.11.xw6 but had this working w/
CCM4.2.3



On 4/8/08 11:20 AM, "Jonathan Charles" <jonvoip at gmail.com> wrote:

> That still doesn't make sense.
> 
> CCM is prompting for tones to enter FAC and CMC, not the gateway....
> the CMC is just to tag the CDR record and the FAC is just to authorize
> the call, inside CCM.
> 
> 
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>> I believe it all has to do with the 'playing of the tones' - it's the
>> gateway that sends a tone to the caller indicating that they must enter an
>> FAC and/or a reorder alert telling them that the FAC is not valid.
>> 
>> 
>>  Lelio
>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>  Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>>  Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>>  (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  Java-Clavis-Domus Theorem: The ability to keep your hands on the home keys
>> is inversely
>>  related to the amount of caffeine ingested in the last 30 minutes.
>> 
>>  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Charles" <jonvoip at gmail.com>
>> 
>>  To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>  Cc: "Aman Chugh" <aman.chugh at gmail.com>; <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>>  Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:27 AM
>> 
>> 
>>  Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I don't understand why a FAC or CMC wouldn't work with H.323, that
>>> doesn't make sense... the CCM is just requesting this info prior to
>>> routing the call... it is part of the route-pattern, what difference
>>> does it make where the call goes?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Now you know my conundrum. It's not very clear with respect to SIP
>> trunks.
>>>> The document states it requires MGCP and doesn't work on H323. That's
>> it, no
>>>> mention of SIP.
>>>> 
>>>> Lelio
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>>>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>>>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> Java-Clavis-Domus Theorem: The ability to keep your hands on the home
>> keys
>>>> is inversely
>>>> related to the amount of caffeine ingested in the last 30 minutes.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Aman Chugh
>>>> To: Lelio Fulgenzi
>>>> Cc: Jonathan Charles ; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>>>> 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I spoke to soon , Yes it is not supported on H.323 analog gateways
>>>> 
>>>> H.323 analog gateways do not support FAC or CMC because these gateways
>>>> cannot play tones
>>>> 
>>>> Aman
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/8/08, Aman Chugh <aman.chugh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not sure if FAC/CMC is not supported with H.323, I believe
>> FAC/CMC > is
>>>> a ccm function and should be gateway protocol independent. As these are
>>>> prompted and enabled on ccm Route patterns.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe Wes or Ryan can confirm.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aman
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/8/08, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, I'm sure you use the same route patterns with H323 and FXO > >
>> ports
>>>> but we already know that FACs are not supported on those.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any of the Cisco guys have any comments? I guess I could open a TAC
>>>> case
>>>> for confirmation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>>>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>>>>>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G
>> 2W1
>>>>>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>>>>>> 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>> "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Aman Chugh
>>>>>> To: Lelio Fulgenzi
>>>>>> Cc: Jonathan Charles ; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:33 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SIP route patterns are used for domain routing/URL dialing , You can
>>>> use
>>>> regular route  patterns for digit dialing and as J said it should work
>> with
>>>> regular route patterns.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Aman
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/8/08, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> In the documentation, it has special instructions for SIP route
>>>> patterns and
>>>>>>> the configuration options listed does not have FAC/CMC.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is anyone out there using SIP trunks with the regular route > > >
>> patterns
>>>> or do
>>>>>>> you have to use the SIP route patterns?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>>>>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>>>>>>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G
>>>>> 2W1
>>>>>>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>>>>>>> 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>> "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Jonathan Charles" <jonvoip at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>>>>>> Cc: <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:20 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't see why not, just configure them on the route-patterns
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> point the route-patterns to the trunks (RLs, RGs...)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi > > > >
>> <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if I posted this before, but can anyone confirm >
>>>>>> that
>>>> FACs
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> not compatible with SIP trunks? We heavily use FACs for our
>>>> residence and
>>>>>>>>> will likely need to go forward with continuing to use them. We
>>>> wanted to
>>>>>>>>> evaluate SIP trunks as a replacement to our PRI service but
>> when > > > >> I
>>>> looked
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>> a SIP route pattern in the CCM 6.1 admin guide there was no > >
>>>>> FAC/CMC
>>>>>>>>> option.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>>>>>>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>>>>>>>>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario >
>>>>>> N1G
>>>> 2W1
>>>>>>>>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>>> "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>>>>>>>>> 
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