[cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC

Mon Apr 21 12:01:55 EDT 2008

thanks for the feedback. it must be analog gateway restrictions then.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Gault" <Rob at GaultAuto.com>
To: <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC

>
> I've been using FAC w/ an h.323 gateway for quite some time with out 
> issue.
>
> Currently running UCM6.0.1 and ios 12.4.11.xw6 but had this working w/
> CCM4.2.3
>
>
>
> On 4/8/08 11:20 AM, "Jonathan Charles" <jonvoip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That still doesn't make sense.
>>
>> CCM is prompting for tones to enter FAC and CMC, not the gateway....
>> the CMC is just to tag the CDR record and the FAC is just to authorize
>> the call, inside CCM.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>> I believe it all has to do with the 'playing of the tones' - it's the
>>> gateway that sends a tone to the caller indicating that they must enter 
>>> an
>>> FAC and/or a reorder alert telling them that the FAC is not valid.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Lelio
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---
>>>  Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>>>  Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>>>  (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>  Java-Clavis-Domus Theorem: The ability to keep your hands on the home 
>>> keys
>>> is inversely
>>>  related to the amount of caffeine ingested in the last 30 minutes.
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Charles" 
>>> <jonvoip at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>  To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>>  Cc: "Aman Chugh" <aman.chugh at gmail.com>; <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:27 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>  Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't understand why a FAC or CMC wouldn't work with H.323, that
>>>> doesn't make sense... the CCM is just requesting this info prior to
>>>> routing the call... it is part of the route-pattern, what difference
>>>> does it make where the call goes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you know my conundrum. It's not very clear with respect to SIP
>>> trunks.
>>>>> The document states it requires MGCP and doesn't work on H323. That's
>>> it, no
>>>>> mention of SIP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lelio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---
>>>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>>>>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>>>>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> Java-Clavis-Domus Theorem: The ability to keep your hands on the home
>>> keys
>>>>> is inversely
>>>>> related to the amount of caffeine ingested in the last 30 minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Aman Chugh
>>>>> To: Lelio Fulgenzi
>>>>> Cc: Jonathan Charles ; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:47 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I spoke to soon , Yes it is not supported on H.323 analog gateways
>>>>>
>>>>> H.323 analog gateways do not support FAC or CMC because these gateways
>>>>> cannot play tones
>>>>>
>>>>> Aman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/8/08, Aman Chugh <aman.chugh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure if FAC/CMC is not supported with H.323, I believe
>>> FAC/CMC > is
>>>>> a ccm function and should be gateway protocol independent. As these 
>>>>> are
>>>>> prompted and enabled on ccm Route patterns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe Wes or Ryan can confirm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/8/08, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I'm sure you use the same route patterns with H323 and FXO > >
>>> ports
>>>>> but we already know that FACs are not supported on those.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any of the Cisco guys have any comments? I guess I could open a TAC
>>>>> case
>>>>> for confirmation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---
>>>>>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>>>>>>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G
>>> 2W1
>>>>>>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>>>>>>>
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>> "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Aman Chugh
>>>>>>> To: Lelio Fulgenzi
>>>>>>> Cc: Jonathan Charles ; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:33 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SIP route patterns are used for domain routing/URL dialing , You can
>>>>> use
>>>>> regular route  patterns for digit dialing and as J said it should work
>>> with
>>>>> regular route patterns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/8/08, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In the documentation, it has special instructions for SIP route
>>>>> patterns and
>>>>>>>> the configuration options listed does not have FAC/CMC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone out there using SIP trunks with the regular route > > >
>>> patterns
>>>>> or do
>>>>>>>> you have to use the SIP route patterns?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>>>>>>>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G
>>>>>> 2W1
>>>>>>>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>>>>>>>>
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>> "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Jonathan Charles" <jonvoip at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>>>>>>> Cc: <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:20 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Trunk with FAC/CMC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't see why not, just configure them on the route-patterns
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> point the route-patterns to the trunks (RLs, RGs...)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi > > > >
>>> <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if I posted this before, but can anyone confirm >
>>>>>>> that
>>>>> FACs
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> not compatible with SIP trunks? We heavily use FACs for our
>>>>> residence and
>>>>>>>>>> will likely need to go forward with continuing to use them. We
>>>>> wanted to
>>>>>>>>>> evaluate SIP trunks as a replacement to our PRI service but
>>> when > > > >> I
>>>>> looked
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> a SIP route pattern in the CCM 6.1 admin guide there was no > >
>>>>>> FAC/CMC
>>>>>>>>>> option.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>>>>>>>>>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario >
>>>>>>> N1G
>>>>> 2W1
>>>>>>>>>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>>>> "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>>>>>>>>>>
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