[cisco-voip] Exchange 2007 SIP and CCM6.0

Fri Feb 8 19:22:41 EST 2008

Looking from VM only this is true.  But when you look at UM

Exchange = 1 or 2 servers
Unity + voice portal + Exchange = 3 servers.

They currently have 1 Exchange server doing Email, voice portal, and UM.  if
they have problems they can add a second server, but thus far have not had
issues.  Where as with Unity and the voice portal you can't even do it with
a single server.and UM for that matter.

Don't get me wrong... I think Unity is more functional but because they
didn't put VM into the budget thinking there old VM was going to work, and
they already had the Exchange server / Cals it was really a no brainer.

Scott

On Feb 8, 2008 3:21 PM, Corbett Enders <cenders at homesbyavi.com> wrote:

> Well, I'd guess that you need a box for Unity or a box for Exchange UM,
> so that would be a wash.
> You'll need an Exchange license or a license for Unity... wash?
> You'll need Exchange Enterprise CALs on top of the standard CAL (it is
> an additive CAL now, you need both) or you get the CALs for Unity.
> Wash?
>
> So in the end, it boils down to functionality.   And I have to think
> Unity has more functionality from a pure VOICEMAIL system right now, but
> it won't be long for Microsoft to catch up.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:56:50 -0600
> From: "Voice Noob" <voicenoob at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Exchange 2007 SIP and CCM6.0
> To: "Scott Voll" <svoll.voip at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Madziarczyk, Jonathan" <JMad at cityofevanston.org>,
>        cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> Message-ID:
>        <535625f70802081456n3e55c812j7ce3cb63fb0dca5d at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> If you have 800 - 1000 phone you shoul dhave multiple exchange servers
> and
> one dedicated to the UM role according to microsoft design guides.  So
> once
> again if you add the price of the additional exchange server license and
> now
> the additional x64 server hardware I bet you are not saving much money.
>
> This does not take into account your specail state pricing.
>
> On Feb 8, 2008 4:49 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > well the School district loves Exchange for the voice portal vs the
> press
> > 1 for this that and the other thing.  unless you have a second server
> and
> > unity 5.x  which adds $$$ also.  especially on a small SD size of
> 800-1000
> > phones.  and the pricing between UM and VM licenses on Unity is huge.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > PS>  I use Unity 5.x UM personally ;-)
> >
> >   On Feb 8, 2008 1:33 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I completely agree with you. I also think that OCS will be a product
> > > that is going to very good after a few years.  The thing is I am
> installing
> > > these products today and must deploy the best solution for my
> customers and
> > > a hacked together system that saves them 10% is not in my best
> interest.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:30 PM, Craig Staffin <craig at staffin.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Voice Noob
> > > >
> > > > Keep in mind that exchange 07 unified messaging is version 1.
> > > >
> > > > Give it two years and see how much competition it can give to
> Unity.
> > > > My guess the way its already going is Unity will be in trouble;
> > > >
> > > > Just my .02
> > > > Craig
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:15 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Not everyone has that. So once you purchase the correct exchange
> > > > > CAL, and the MWI software it may not be that much more to just
> purchase
> > > > > Unity. I don't think Exchange 2007 can compare to Unity in the
> number or
> > > > > features it has.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:11 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > School district..... SLA ..... State contract pricing......
> Better
> > > > > > pricing then Unity ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 1:10 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You have to purchase diffrent Exchange CAL's if you use the
> UM
> > > > > > > role so it is going to cost you more $$$ for the correct
> Exchange CAL.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 2:52 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What third party software are you using?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 2:47 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have it in production at one of our School Districts
> but
> > > > > > > > > with CM 5.1 not 6.x.
> > > > > > > > > The MWI doesn't work by default but with a 3rd party
> vendor
> > > > > > > > > their is software you load on exchange to get that
> working.... But the
> > > > > > > > > negitive is that you have to enable it on a per box
> basis.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Scott
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 8:29 AM, Madziarczyk, Jonathan <
> > > > > > > > > JMad at cityofevanston.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm about to start testing Exchange 2007's new SIP
> > > > > > > > > > voicemail option in
> > > > > > > > > > conjunction with CCM6.0 in the hopes of that becoming
> my
> > > > > > > > > > new VM system
> > > > > > > > > > (currently on CallXpress).  Has anyone done this yet,
> or
> > > > > > > > > > have any
> > > > > > > > > > experience with this?  I've heard there are some MWI
> > > > > > > > > > issues, but that
> > > > > > > > > > there are 3rd party products to help with that end.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > JM
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