[cisco-voip] Exchange 2007 SIP and CCM6.0
Matthew Saskin
matt at saskin.net
Sat Feb 9 07:13:54 EST 2008
I can't speak to the base exchange side as my exchange admins do that,
but as for configuring the EXUM side and integrating with CallManager -
it's a trivial operation. It took literally 30 minutes the first time
for me to get two EXUM servers configured and tied into callmanager in a
redundant fashion.
-matt
Joel P wrote:
> I have also been approached by several customers who have shown interest in
> E2k7UM instead of upgrading to Unity 5. We have turned them away due to lack
> of experience installing it ourselves.
> But they have taken it upon themselves to price it out and according to them
> it is more cost effective to use E2k7UM.
> I think M$ will begin to eat away at UnityUM and NortelUM share of the
> market in the next two years.
> Time to renew my E2k7 Certs and take some follow up classes.
>
> Joel P
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Saskin
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:10 PM
> To: Scott Voll
> Cc: Corbett Enders; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Exchange 2007 SIP and CCM6.0
>
> I'd like to hear everyone's views on Unity having more functions than
> Exchange UM. Personally, we migrated internally from Unity 4 to
> Exchange 2007 UM and I think it blows Unity out of the water,
> hands-down...just my opinion ;)
>
> From a cost perspective, regardless of any volume licensing discount if
> you already run Exchange for voicemail, the per user cost is less for
> EXUM than Unity UM. Last I checked, Unity UM licenses list at $140 per
> user. List pricing for an Exchange enterprise CAL (for UM) is $36 more
> than a standard CAL, which is required for email anyhow. Hardware
> requirements for all intents and purposes are the same, and actual cost
> for the server software is the same as well.
>
> For MWI, the primary 3rd party product (geomant) costs something like
> $1000 for the application + $4.50/user without volume discounts, and
> goes down to < $3/user if you're in the thousands of users range. The
> only downside that we have hit is that the Geomant application runs on a
> single server, so if that box goes down, MWI's stop functioning.
>
> -matt
>
> Scott Voll wrote:
>
>> Looking from VM only this is true. But when you look at UM
>>
>> Exchange = 1 or 2 servers
>> Unity + voice portal + Exchange = 3 servers.
>>
>> They currently have 1 Exchange server doing Email, voice portal, and
>> UM. if they have problems they can add a second server, but thus far
>> have not had issues. Where as with Unity and the voice portal you
>> can't even do it with a single server.and UM for that matter.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong... I think Unity is more functional but because
>> they didn't put VM into the budget thinking there old VM was going to
>> work, and they already had the Exchange server / Cals it was really a
>> no brainer.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2008 3:21 PM, Corbett Enders <cenders at homesbyavi.com
>> <mailto:cenders at homesbyavi.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I'd guess that you need a box for Unity or a box for
>> Exchange UM,
>> so that would be a wash.
>> You'll need an Exchange license or a license for Unity... wash?
>> You'll need Exchange Enterprise CALs on top of the standard CAL (it is
>> an additive CAL now, you need both) or you get the CALs for Unity.
>> Wash?
>>
>> So in the end, it boils down to functionality. And I have to think
>> Unity has more functionality from a pure VOICEMAIL system right
>> now, but
>> it won't be long for Microsoft to catch up.
>>
>> ---------------
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:56:50 -0600
>> From: "Voice Noob" <voicenoob at gmail.com <mailto:voicenoob at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Exchange 2007 SIP and CCM6.0
>> To: "Scott Voll" <svoll.voip at gmail.com <mailto:svoll.voip at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: "Madziarczyk, Jonathan" <JMad at cityofevanston.org
>> <mailto:JMad at cityofevanston.org>>,
>> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
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>> If you have 800 - 1000 phone you shoul dhave multiple exchange servers
>> and
>> one dedicated to the UM role according to microsoft design guides. So
>> once
>> again if you add the price of the additional exchange server
>> license and
>> now
>> the additional x64 server hardware I bet you are not saving much
>> money.
>>
>> This does not take into account your specail state pricing.
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2008 4:49 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com
>> <mailto:svoll.voip at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> > well the School district loves Exchange for the voice portal vs the
>> press
>> > 1 for this that and the other thing. unless you have a second
>> server
>> and
>> > unity 5.x which adds $$$ also. especially on a small SD size of
>> 800-1000
>> > phones. and the pricing between UM and VM licenses on Unity is
>> huge.
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > PS> I use Unity 5.x UM personally ;-)
>> >
>> > On Feb 8, 2008 1:33 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com
>> <mailto:voicenoob at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I completely agree with you. I also think that OCS will be a
>> product
>> > > that is going to very good after a few years. The thing is I am
>> installing
>> > > these products today and must deploy the best solution for my
>> customers and
>> > > a hacked together system that saves them 10% is not in my best
>> interest.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:30 PM, Craig Staffin <craig at staffin.org
>> <mailto:craig at staffin.org>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Voice Noob
>> > > >
>> > > > Keep in mind that exchange 07 unified messaging is version 1.
>> > > >
>> > > > Give it two years and see how much competition it can give to
>> Unity.
>> > > > My guess the way its already going is Unity will be in trouble;
>> > > >
>> > > > Just my .02
>> > > > Craig
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:15 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com
>> <mailto:voicenoob at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Not everyone has that. So once you purchase the correct
>> exchange
>> > > > > CAL, and the MWI software it may not be that much more to just
>> purchase
>> > > > > Unity. I don't think Exchange 2007 can compare to Unity in the
>> number or
>> > > > > features it has.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:11 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com
>> <mailto:svoll.voip at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > School district..... SLA ..... State contract pricing......
>> Better
>> > > > > > pricing then Unity ;-)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 1:10 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com
>> <mailto:voicenoob at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > You have to purchase diffrent Exchange CAL's if you
>> use the
>> UM
>> > > > > > > role so it is going to cost you more $$$ for the correct
>> Exchange CAL.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 2:52 PM, Voice Noob
>> <voicenoob at gmail.com <mailto:voicenoob at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > What third party software are you using?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 2:47 PM, Scott Voll
>> <svoll.voip at gmail.com <mailto:svoll.voip at gmail.com>>
>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > I have it in production at one of our School Districts
>> but
>> > > > > > > > > with CM 5.1 not 6.x.
>> > > > > > > > > The MWI doesn't work by default but with a 3rd party
>> vendor
>> > > > > > > > > their is software you load on exchange to get that
>> working.... But the
>> > > > > > > > > negitive is that you have to enable it on a per box
>> basis.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Scott
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 8:29 AM, Madziarczyk, Jonathan <
>> > > > > > > > > JMad at cityofevanston.org
>> <mailto:JMad at cityofevanston.org>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > I'm about to start testing Exchange 2007's new SIP
>> > > > > > > > > > voicemail option in
>> > > > > > > > > > conjunction with CCM6.0 in the hopes of that
>> becoming
>> my
>> > > > > > > > > > new VM system
>> > > > > > > > > > (currently on CallXpress). Has anyone done this
>> yet,
>> or
>> > > > > > > > > > have any
>> > > > > > > > > > experience with this? I've heard there are some MWI
>> > > > > > > > > > issues, but that
>> > > > > > > > > > there are 3rd party products to help with that end.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
>> > > > > > > > > > JM
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