[cisco-voip] Exchange 2007 SIP and CCM6.0
Voice Noob
voicenoob at gmail.com
Sat Feb 9 20:01:27 EST 2008
I have configure this as well. You are correct it is very simple.
On Feb 9, 2008 6:13 AM, Matthew Saskin <matt at saskin.net> wrote:
> I can't speak to the base exchange side as my exchange admins do that,
> but as for configuring the EXUM side and integrating with CallManager -
> it's a trivial operation. It took literally 30 minutes the first time
> for me to get two EXUM servers configured and tied into callmanager in a
> redundant fashion.
>
> -matt
>
> Joel P wrote:
> > I have also been approached by several customers who have shown interest
> in
> > E2k7UM instead of upgrading to Unity 5. We have turned them away due to
> lack
> > of experience installing it ourselves.
> > But they have taken it upon themselves to price it out and according to
> them
> > it is more cost effective to use E2k7UM.
> > I think M$ will begin to eat away at UnityUM and NortelUM share of the
> > market in the next two years.
> > Time to renew my E2k7 Certs and take some follow up classes.
> >
> > Joel P
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
> > [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Saskin
> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:10 PM
> > To: Scott Voll
> > Cc: Corbett Enders; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Exchange 2007 SIP and CCM6.0
> >
> > I'd like to hear everyone's views on Unity having more functions than
> > Exchange UM. Personally, we migrated internally from Unity 4 to
> > Exchange 2007 UM and I think it blows Unity out of the water,
> > hands-down...just my opinion ;)
> >
> > From a cost perspective, regardless of any volume licensing discount if
> > you already run Exchange for voicemail, the per user cost is less for
> > EXUM than Unity UM. Last I checked, Unity UM licenses list at $140 per
> > user. List pricing for an Exchange enterprise CAL (for UM) is $36 more
> > than a standard CAL, which is required for email anyhow. Hardware
> > requirements for all intents and purposes are the same, and actual cost
> > for the server software is the same as well.
> >
> > For MWI, the primary 3rd party product (geomant) costs something like
> > $1000 for the application + $4.50/user without volume discounts, and
> > goes down to < $3/user if you're in the thousands of users range. The
> > only downside that we have hit is that the Geomant application runs on a
> > single server, so if that box goes down, MWI's stop functioning.
> >
> > -matt
> >
> > Scott Voll wrote:
> >
> >> Looking from VM only this is true. But when you look at UM
> >>
> >> Exchange = 1 or 2 servers
> >> Unity + voice portal + Exchange = 3 servers.
> >>
> >> They currently have 1 Exchange server doing Email, voice portal, and
> >> UM. if they have problems they can add a second server, but thus far
> >> have not had issues. Where as with Unity and the voice portal you
> >> can't even do it with a single server.and UM for that matter.
> >>
> >> Don't get me wrong... I think Unity is more functional but because
> >> they didn't put VM into the budget thinking there old VM was going to
> >> work, and they already had the Exchange server / Cals it was really a
> >> no brainer.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 8, 2008 3:21 PM, Corbett Enders <cenders at homesbyavi.com
> >> <mailto:cenders at homesbyavi.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, I'd guess that you need a box for Unity or a box for
> >> Exchange UM,
> >> so that would be a wash.
> >> You'll need an Exchange license or a license for Unity... wash?
> >> You'll need Exchange Enterprise CALs on top of the standard CAL (it
> is
> >> an additive CAL now, you need both) or you get the CALs for Unity.
> >> Wash?
> >>
> >> So in the end, it boils down to functionality. And I have to
> think
> >> Unity has more functionality from a pure VOICEMAIL system right
> >> now, but
> >> it won't be long for Microsoft to catch up.
> >>
> >> ---------------
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:56:50 -0600
> >> From: "Voice Noob" <voicenoob at gmail.com <mailto:voicenoob at gmail.com
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Exchange 2007 SIP and CCM6.0
> >> To: "Scott Voll" <svoll.voip at gmail.com <mailto:svoll.voip at gmail.com
> >>
> >> Cc: "Madziarczyk, Jonathan" <JMad at cityofevanston.org
> >> <mailto:JMad at cityofevanston.org>>,
> >> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net <mailto:
> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >> <535625f70802081456n3e55c812j7ce3cb63fb0dca5d at mail.gmail.com
> >> <mailto:535625f70802081456n3e55c812j7ce3cb63fb0dca5d at mail.gmail.com
> >>
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> >>
> >> If you have 800 - 1000 phone you shoul dhave multiple exchange
> servers
> >> and
> >> one dedicated to the UM role according to microsoft design guides.
> So
> >> once
> >> again if you add the price of the additional exchange server
> >> license and
> >> now
> >> the additional x64 server hardware I bet you are not saving much
> >> money.
> >>
> >> This does not take into account your specail state pricing.
> >>
> >> On Feb 8, 2008 4:49 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:svoll.voip at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> > well the School district loves Exchange for the voice portal vs
> the
> >> press
> >> > 1 for this that and the other thing. unless you have a second
> >> server
> >> and
> >> > unity 5.x which adds $$$ also. especially on a small SD size of
> >> 800-1000
> >> > phones. and the pricing between UM and VM licenses on Unity is
> >> huge.
> >> >
> >> > Scott
> >> >
> >> > PS> I use Unity 5.x UM personally ;-)
> >> >
> >> > On Feb 8, 2008 1:33 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:voicenoob at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I completely agree with you. I also think that OCS will be a
> >> product
> >> > > that is going to very good after a few years. The thing is I
> am
> >> installing
> >> > > these products today and must deploy the best solution for my
> >> customers and
> >> > > a hacked together system that saves them 10% is not in my best
> >> interest.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:30 PM, Craig Staffin <craig at staffin.org
> >> <mailto:craig at staffin.org>> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Voice Noob
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Keep in mind that exchange 07 unified messaging is version 1.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Give it two years and see how much competition it can give to
> >> Unity.
> >> > > > My guess the way its already going is Unity will be in
> trouble;
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Just my .02
> >> > > > Craig
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:15 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:voicenoob at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Not everyone has that. So once you purchase the correct
> >> exchange
> >> > > > > CAL, and the MWI software it may not be that much more to
> just
> >> purchase
> >> > > > > Unity. I don't think Exchange 2007 can compare to Unity in
> the
> >> number or
> >> > > > > features it has.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:11 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:svoll.voip at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > School district..... SLA ..... State contract
> pricing......
> >> Better
> >> > > > > > pricing then Unity ;-)
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 1:10 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:voicenoob at gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > You have to purchase diffrent Exchange CAL's if you
> >> use the
> >> UM
> >> > > > > > > role so it is going to cost you more $$$ for the
> correct
> >> Exchange CAL.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 2:52 PM, Voice Noob
> >> <voicenoob at gmail.com <mailto:voicenoob at gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > What third party software are you using?
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 2:47 PM, Scott Voll
> >> <svoll.voip at gmail.com <mailto:svoll.voip at gmail.com>>
> >> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > I have it in production at one of our School
> Districts
> >> but
> >> > > > > > > > > with CM 5.1 not 6.x.
> >> > > > > > > > > The MWI doesn't work by default but with a 3rd
> party
> >> vendor
> >> > > > > > > > > their is software you load on exchange to get that
> >> working.... But the
> >> > > > > > > > > negitive is that you have to enable it on a per box
> >> basis.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Scott
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 8:29 AM, Madziarczyk, Jonathan <
> >> > > > > > > > > JMad at cityofevanston.org
> >> <mailto:JMad at cityofevanston.org>> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > I'm about to start testing Exchange 2007's new
> SIP
> >> > > > > > > > > > voicemail option in
> >> > > > > > > > > > conjunction with CCM6.0 in the hopes of that
> >> becoming
> >> my
> >> > > > > > > > > > new VM system
> >> > > > > > > > > > (currently on CallXpress). Has anyone done this
> >> yet,
> >> or
> >> > > > > > > > > > have any
> >> > > > > > > > > > experience with this? I've heard there are some
> MWI
> >> > > > > > > > > > issues, but that
> >> > > > > > > > > > there are 3rd party products to help with that
> end.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> >> > > > > > > > > > JM
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> >> > > > Craig Staffin
> >> > > > Craig at staffin.org <mailto:Craig at staffin.org>
> >> > > > (H) 262-437-7313
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