[cisco-voip] CCIE Voice or CCIE R&S

[Syed Khalid Ali]

Thanks to all.

I have decided to go with R&S due fact that it will help me most with
my work and company. Also it is easy to prepare for since resources
(including finance and study material) is easily available.

I will be scheduling my written exam by 3rd March 2009.

Again thank you all for your comments and advices.

Best regards,
Syed Khalid Ali

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Nikola Stojsin <nikolastojsin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a quick clarification – all I meant to say is that CCVP (IMHO – and I
> might be wrong!) is closer to CCIE Voice then CCNP is to CCIE R&S. (Closer –
> not close! Also, I might be thinking differently if I decide to go for CCIE
> Voice as well! Likely, based on what Ahmed said.)
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> Also, Ahmed makes a great point: time management at the lab! It is not
> enough to know, you have to DO it in the time provided. For what is worth,
> this is what helped me: I set myself a rigid schedule (for R&S): one hour
> for settling down, initial reading and lab schema (yes, I used multicolored
> pencils), one hour for Layer 2 and ATM, one hour for IGPs, one hour for IGP
> redistribution and DDR circuits. After lunch (30 minutes) one hour for BGP,
> two hours for various "minor" technologies (read: trick questions!) that you
> may or may not have to look up (I do not think anyone works with, say, IRDP
> on an everyday basis!), and one hour for the review. However ridiculous it
> may look, I do not think I would have passed without adhering to it. Even
> more ridiculous – but nevertheless true – is that my biggest problem when I
> was sitting for the lab was that I am a fairly fast typist, but my everyday
> typing is on MS Natural Keyboards. And, needless to say, Cisco is not
> providing those in the lab. There is enough typing for that to make a
> difference – and I almost run out of time thanks to the #!@#$ keyboard.
> (Please do not laugh!)
>
>
>
> Finally, about which CCIE one should get: I do not think it really matters.
> (It certainly did not matter for me.) Get the one that helps the most in
> your work, your company and involves the least effort. (It is definitely
> better to be one of three Voice CCIEs than one of 51 R&S ones!) In defense
> of "my" R&S, it is the easiest to get, with most CCIEs, but it also has the
> broadest scope, job-wise. CCIE Voice is great, IMHO, because there are not
> that many CCIEs, and the scope is fairly broad (compared with, say, Service
> Provider). I do not think there is much difference between Security and R&S,
> difficulty-wise (I cannot speak about Voice or Design labs). Finally, one
> can get more than one – if one really wants to stand out.  J
>
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>
> Ahmed, good luck! I have it from a very good source that people that get the
> score of 60 or more on their first attempt have close to 100% success rate
> on the next one.
>
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> Nikola
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> From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ahmed Elnagar
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:21 PM
> To: svoll.voip at gmail.com; syed.khalid.khursheed at gmail.com
> Cc: VOIP Group
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCIE Voice or CCIE R&S
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> I totally agree with scott, but I want to add something...I did an attempt
> for the CCIE voice and I am planning for another one soon...my average score
> was 60% and all the question in the exam know them very well...nothing was
> that difficult for me...my mistake was in two things:
>
> 1- I changed my plan in last moment... changed the order by which I used to
> answer the exam question so I needed up while reviewing the exam that I
> forget to configure SRST and MOH...and you know the stress in this last hour
> is too much that I couldn't tune them as required in the exam question.
>
> Voice exam is really difficult... maybe as Nikola said it is very similar to
> CCVP (I used to say so) but really they do tricks in two many ways that
> requires from the candidate to be very familiar with every configuration
> that can be done with these devices (and they are not just routers and
> switches like the R&S)...so your work in the lab for very long periods is
> very required.
>
> Also to add another point...the value of the CCIE R&S is going down
> everyday...although still required as the easiest way to achieve partnership
> levels with Cisco "Silver and gold" but voice and security tracks are still
> very rare...for example here in Egypt I think we have only 2 CCIE voice
> although we on Cisco site we should have around 50 CCIEs.
>
> If you go for voice make sure that you will have enough time to practice and
> practice and practice...and you should consider in your plan that it is most
> likely not to do the exam from first attempt "although not impossible by the
> way"...although consider the new blueprint and the new diffculty in the exam
> topics...minor tasks like vlan configuration phone registration are done for
> you...advanced IPCC scripting is introduced...presence server also...the
> removal of the 6500 switch is not that big as the configuration tasks
> requires for this switch was relatively easy.
>
> Good luck and wish me luck in my second attempt :) .
>
> Thanks,
> Ahmed Elnagar
>
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> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:12:28 -0800
> From: svoll.voip at gmail.com
> To: syed.khalid.khursheed at gmail.com
> CC: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCIE Voice or CCIE R&S
>
> I was headed toward the CCIE Voice.  Let me tell you, unless you working on
> voice 40 hours a week and in all aspects, CM, CME, Unity, UE, UC, UCCx, SIP,
> MGCP, H323, and every aspect of each and are still willing to lock yourself
> in a lab for 3 months before taking the test, I would NOT try for the CCIE
> Voice.  You need to be able to do every command by memory, and know what can
> be done last so you never hit the same thing twice.
>
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> I believe the average pass on the CCIE Voice is the 3rd attempt.
>
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> My understanding is the R/S is a whole lot easier (if you can call a CCIE
> exam Easy ;-).
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>
> Scott
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> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Syed Khalid Ali
> <syed.khalid.khursheed at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have a data network background and for last 1.5 years I am working
> more R&S and Security stuff. However during my course toward CCVP, I
> did some projects of IP telephony (specifically CME) as well. I also
> inherited a CallManager 4.2 setup as well.
>
> However, I am not able to decide b/w the two. Should I go for CCIE R&S
> or Voice. R&S is easy as compared to Voice in terms of time and
> resources and most of the people have attained this title. Whereas the
> Voice track although focused on product instead of technologies, the
> resources are rare (at-least in my country) and requires more time to
> be prepared.
> Need suggestions and advice!
>
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> Thanks,
> Syed Khalid Ali
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