[cisco-voip] CCIE Voice or CCIE R&S

Wed Jan 28 17:19:49 EST 2009

Just a quick clarification - all I meant to say is that CCVP (IMHO - and I
might be wrong!) is closer to CCIE Voice then CCNP is to CCIE R&S. (Closer -
not close! Also, I might be thinking differently if I decide to go for CCIE
Voice as well! Likely, based on what Ahmed said.)

Also, Ahmed makes a great point: time management at the lab! It is not
enough to know, you have to DO it in the time provided. For what is worth,
this is what helped me: I set myself a rigid schedule (for R&S): one hour
for settling down, initial reading and lab schema (yes, I used multicolored
pencils), one hour for Layer 2 and ATM, one hour for IGPs, one hour for IGP
redistribution and DDR circuits. After lunch (30 minutes) one hour for BGP,
two hours for various "minor" technologies (read: trick questions!) that you
may or may not have to look up (I do not think anyone works with, say, IRDP
on an everyday basis!), and one hour for the review. However ridiculous it
may look, I do not think I would have passed without adhering to it. Even
more ridiculous - but nevertheless true - is that my biggest problem when I
was sitting for the lab was that I am a fairly fast typist, but my everyday
typing is on MS Natural Keyboards. And, needless to say, Cisco is not
providing those in the lab. There is enough typing for that to make a
difference - and I almost run out of time thanks to the #!@#$ keyboard.
(Please do not laugh!)

Finally, about which CCIE one should get: I do not think it really matters.
(It certainly did not matter for me.) Get the one that helps the most in
your work, your company and involves the least effort. (It is definitely
better to be one of three Voice CCIEs than one of 51 R&S ones!) In defense
of "my" R&S, it is the easiest to get, with most CCIEs, but it also has the
broadest scope, job-wise. CCIE Voice is great, IMHO, because there are not
that many CCIEs, and the scope is fairly broad (compared with, say, Service
Provider). I do not think there is much difference between Security and R&S,
difficulty-wise (I cannot speak about Voice or Design labs). Finally, one
can get more than one - if one really wants to stand out.  J

Ahmed, good luck! I have it from a very good source that people that get the
score of 60 or more on their first attempt have close to 100% success rate
on the next one.

Nikola

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From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ahmed Elnagar
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:21 PM
To: svoll.voip at gmail.com; syed.khalid.khursheed at gmail.com
Cc: VOIP Group
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCIE Voice or CCIE R&S

I totally agree with scott, but I want to add something...I did an attempt
for the CCIE voice and I am planning for another one soon...my average score
was 60% and all the question in the exam know them very well...nothing was
that difficult for me...my mistake was in two things:

1- I changed my plan in last moment... changed the order by which I used to
answer the exam question so I needed up while reviewing the exam that I
forget to configure SRST and MOH...and you know the stress in this last hour
is too much that I couldn't tune them as required in the exam question.

Voice exam is really difficult... maybe as Nikola said it is very similar to
CCVP (I used to say so) but really they do tricks in two many ways that
requires from the candidate to be very familiar with every configuration
that can be done with these devices (and they are not just routers and
switches like the R&S)...so your work in the lab for very long periods is
very required.

Also to add another point...the value of the CCIE R&S is going down
everyday...although still required as the easiest way to achieve partnership
levels with Cisco "Silver and gold" but voice and security tracks are still
very rare...for example here in Egypt I think we have only 2 CCIE voice
although we on Cisco site we should have around 50 CCIEs.

If you go for voice make sure that you will have enough time to practice and
practice and practice...and you should consider in your plan that it is most
likely not to do the exam from first attempt "although not impossible by the
way"...although consider the new blueprint and the new diffculty in the exam
topics...minor tasks like vlan configuration phone registration are done for
you...advanced IPCC scripting is introduced...presence server also...the
removal of the 6500 switch is not that big as the configuration tasks
requires for this switch was relatively easy.

Good luck and wish me luck in my second attempt :) .

Thanks,
Ahmed Elnagar

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:12:28 -0800
From: svoll.voip at gmail.com
To: syed.khalid.khursheed at gmail.com
CC: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCIE Voice or CCIE R&S

I was headed toward the CCIE Voice.  Let me tell you, unless you working on
voice 40 hours a week and in all aspects, CM, CME, Unity, UE, UC, UCCx, SIP,
MGCP, H323, and every aspect of each and are still willing to lock yourself
in a lab for 3 months before taking the test, I would NOT try for the CCIE
Voice.  You need to be able to do every command by memory, and know what can
be done last so you never hit the same thing twice.

I believe the average pass on the CCIE Voice is the 3rd attempt.

My understanding is the R/S is a whole lot easier (if you can call a CCIE
exam Easy ;-).  

Scott

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Syed Khalid Ali
<syed.khalid.khursheed at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

I have a data network background and for last 1.5 years I am working
more R&S and Security stuff. However during my course toward CCVP, I
did some projects of IP telephony (specifically CME) as well. I also
inherited a CallManager 4.2 setup as well.

However, I am not able to decide b/w the two. Should I go for CCIE R&S
or Voice. R&S is easy as compared to Voice in terms of time and
resources and most of the people have attained this title. Whereas the
Voice track although focused on product instead of technologies, the
resources are rare (at-least in my country) and requires more time to
be prepared.
Need suggestions and advice!

--
Thanks,
Syed Khalid Ali
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