[cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?

Tue May 5 11:31:57 EDT 2009

Yes.  How many performance/capacity/delay problems have you  
experienced or worked?  Even on relatively controlled hardware we've  
had our share of performance issues.  Do you really want to depend on  
a random white box when you attempt to dial 9-1-1?

/Wes

On May 5, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Paul wrote:

Jason,

What do you mean? It's not as if Linux doesn't support the different  
processor speeds/types, it's the way Cisco specifically configures the  
software itself so they can have an environment that has been tested  
thoroughly by their QA department.

----- Original Message ----
From: Jason Aarons (US) <jason.aarons at us.didata.com>
To: Ryan Ratliff <rratliff at cisco.com>; Paul <asobihoudai at yahoo.com>
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 11:10:28 AM
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?

Be cool if CallManager 7x/8x software a hardware abstraction layer and
didn't care if CPU was 2.4GHz versus 2.6GHz, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ryan Ratliff
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:26 AM
To: Paul
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?

Yeah I'm not sure what you were looking for exactly.  Cisco can't
tell you when you can or cannot buy a server from HP or IBM.  All we
do is document the exact parts that make up the MCS servers so if you
wish to buy the equivalent from HP or IBM directly you can do so.
If HP or IBM wants to tell you a newer part is equivalent then that's
up to them but don't expect it to work unless each part number
matches exactly what's in the document we provide.

If Cisco is still selling the MCS server you are looking to duplicate
then I imagine we are still getting the parts from HP/IBM but that's
getting into supply chain logistics and I know nothing about that
part of the business.

-Ryan

On May 5, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Paul wrote:

My understanding is you can order non-MCS boxen at anytime, you just
have to make sure you have the *exact* specified parts list for Cisco
or you'll end up with a hair-pulling installation error.

----- Original Message ----
From: Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com>
To: Ryan Ratliff <rratliff at cisco.com>
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 10:14:31 AM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?

So when can we order NON MCS servers?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Ratliff [mailto:rratliff at cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:10 AM
To: Voice Noob
Cc: 'Jason Burns'; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?

You are correct in the server equivalency but the second link Jason
provided shows that server can only run 6.1(3) and the Windows CUCM.

-Ryan

On May 5, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Voice Noob wrote:

I think you are incorrect Jason. "It is the configuration equivalent
of the Cisco MCS
7825-H4-IPC1/CCX1/CCE1. " If it is equivalent to a 7825H4 I should be
able to run 7.0 on it.

From: Jason Burns [mailto:burns.jason at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:43 PM
To: Voice Noob
Cc: Jason Aarons (US); Paul; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?

One additional caveat, just to make sure you're aware of this gotcha.

If you order a brand spanking new server directly from HP keep in
mind that you may have to wait a while for a version of CallManager
to come out that actually supports that server hardware.

It is hardcoded in the CCM installer to check the machine model /
specs and give a go or no go on the install. If the server model is
newer than the version of CCM you're installling - the install will
fail.  Not the greatest design in my opinion, but I suppose they did
it to ensure you're running on something that has been tested.

Before ordering hardware, always check the CCM software compatibility
matrix:

http://cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps556/
products_device_support_tables_list.html

Supported Servers for Cisco Unified Communications Manager Releases

The server you're looking at from the rest of the thread looks to be:

HP DL320-G5p

Which is only supported in CCM 6.1.3, and NOT in 5, 6.1.2, or 7.
(although it does have 4.X support)

Hope that helps.

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com> wrote:

These parts are new. They are suppose to be for the H4 server.

HP DL320-G5p Server with Intel E8400 3-GHz Processor

The DL320-G5p is a high-performance server platform for today's unified
communications applications. It supports up to 1000 Cisco Unified IP
Phones
on a single server and up to 4000 Cisco Unified IP Phones when clustered
properly. The required processor is an Intel E8400 3-GHz processor. No
specific memory configuration is required as long as 2 GB of memory is
provided. It is the configuration equivalent of the Cisco MCS
7825-H4-IPC1/CCX1/CCE1.
Table 6 lists the hardware configuration requirements.
Table 6. Hardware Configuration Requirements

Quantity
   HP Part Number
   Description

1
   445436-B21
   HP DL320R05p Mod0 Svr

1
   450436-B21
   DL1U 2 DRV CAGE FIO KIT

1
   509468-B21
   HPZE8400 DL320G5p Proc Option Kit

2
   450259-B21
   HP 1GB UB PC2-6400 1x1GB Kit

2
   458926-B21
   HP 250GB 3G SATA 7.2K 3.5" MDL HDD

1
   411508-B21
   HP Smart Array E200 Controller

1
   449991-B21
   HP DL320G5p 12.7mm DVD Kit

1
   450343-B21
   DL320G5p iLO2 PORT OPT KIT

Contact HP for specific power-supply and power cord options.

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net

[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Jason Aarons
(US)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:21 PM
To: Paul; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?

The feedback I hear on this list is that these parts are from 2006 era
and you shouldn't be buying them if you talk to HP directly...Who wants
a 2006 Lexus when they can get a 2009/2010?

I was under the impression that a new parts list and new MCS line will
be out June/July timeframe for CallManager 7.0(2)...

However I have no authority on this and shouldn't be deemed an
authority, just a guess on my part that a server refresh is past due...

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:11 PM
To: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?

I need this updated if it's not. I've got Cisco talking out of both
sides of their mouth. TAC says your list of parts *clearly* means that
the parts ordered aren't compatible and I checked against the HP server
parts list. Then the customer calls Cisco independently and they tell
him that the parts ordered *are* compatible.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6790/ps5748/ps378/p
roduct_solution_overview09186a0080107d79.html

I am not a happy camper.

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