[cisco-voip] PBX

Mon Dec 20 23:28:31 EST 2010

Hi Lelio,

There are no switches installed. They are going to layout cat 5 cables. The
hotel is very small and they just want single line phones in every room to
be able to call reception and things like that.

best regards,

Abebe

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:

> Do you have network switches already? Is this a new hotel? Is there
> existing telephone wire to the rooms? Or are they pulling new cat5/6?
>
> With VG224s you just use analog sets. The can be as cheap or as expensive
> as you want. Is this a fancy motel or a budget motel?
>
> Costwise, you'd have to get it spec'ed out by your vendor to be sure.
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Dec 20, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Abebe Amare <abucho at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Lelio,
>
> Currently there is nothing in place I am just looking for the right
> solution. How much would that kind of setup would cost? A UC500 with 6900
> phones costs around 15000 USD (GPL) which is too much for me.
>
> Zoltan, do you happen to know some of the off-brand PBX systems? I might be
> able to buy them from the middle east.
>
> best regards,
>
> Abebe Amare
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi < <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
> lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>
>> Something you can also consider is an H323 only implementation using voip
>> dialpeers. I'm not sure what call control you have available, but a couple
>> of VG224s with a small router might just do the trick.
>>
>> Or am I off my rocker?
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2010, at 9:55 AM, < <Zoltan.Kelemen at emerson.com>
>> Zoltan.Kelemen at emerson.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Abebe,
>> >
>> > Cisco (as far as I know) will never be competitive with the most basic
>> > systems as that is simply not their target market.
>> >
>> > Panasonic for example has some reliable PBX systems in that size and
>> > with SLTs (single line telephones) it is certainly significantly below
>> > $1000 per user (look for a KX-TDA 30 for that size). Off brand PBX
>> > systems might be available for less, although this will largely depend
>> > on what you can actually buy where you are from.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Zoltan Kelemen
>> > ETS & Information Security
>> > Global Operations (EMEA)
>> > European Network Operations Engineer
>> > Cluj-Napoca, Romania
>> > <zoltan.kelemen at emerson.com>zoltan.kelemen at emerson.com
>> > w: +40 364 731356
>> > m: +40 757 039093
>> >
>> > EMERSON
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>
>> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
>> > [mailto: <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>
>> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Abebe Amare
>> > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 8:55 AM
>> > To: David Zhars
>> > Cc: cisco voip
>> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] PBX
>> >
>> > Hi Dave,
>> >
>> > I reside in one of the poorest places in Africa so my insistence on
>> > cost. The solution is for a small motel which needs about 40 phones.
>> > They just need very basic features.There is no copper PSTN access for
>> > outgoing calls only GSM connection. If the UC system is affordable
>> > that is the best option for me.
>> >
>> > best regards,
>> >
>> > Abebe
>> > On 12/18/10, David Zhars < <dzhars at gmail.com>dzhars at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Well good luck Abebe....  I went through this same exercise 5 years
>> > ago.  So
>> >> called "standard" PBXs are very expensive, hard to configure or
>> > expand, and
>> >> have very little "future-ization" built in.  IP PBXs are very
>> > expensive,
>> >> moderately hard to configure and expand, and have a lot of
>> > "future-ization"
>> >> built in.   Do you deal with a large VAR like a CDW, or ProVantage,
>> > PCMall,
>> >> etc?  They might be a better source of information.  Many phone
>> > companies
>> >> now offer "rentable" PBXs, where the PBX stays in their building, and
>> > it
>> >> runs via a connection back to them (generally a high speed Internet
>> >> connection).
>> >>
>> >> I found this blurb when I was doing my looking around and it's still
>> > true
>> >> today:
>> >>
>> >> "Estimating costs for a complete phone system are very difficult:
>> > costs can
>> >> quickly climb into the tens of thousands of dollars. Key systems and
>> > hybrids
>> >> can range from $350 to $1000 per user, depending on the features you
>> > select.
>> >> For larger PBX systems, prices start at around $800 per user, but
>> > usually
>> >> wind up more in the $1000 per user range. There are significant
>> > economies of
>> >> scale: very small offices will find it hard to stay under $1000 per
>> > user for
>> >> any system, and companies with 100 or more employees save
>> > considerably."
>> >>
>> >> I would think it very hard to purchase and install a new PBX with new
>> > phones
>> >> for less than $500 a person, and that would be cheap.
>> >>
>> >> Again, good luck.  And last word: stay away from that junk you'll find
>> > at
>> >> Staples or Best Buy!!
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Abebe Amare < <abucho at gmail.com>
>> abucho at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Thanks Go0se,
>> >>>
>> >>> What kind of phones the UC 500 series support? Cisco phones are very
>> >>> expensive for the price range I am looking for. I am looking for low
>> >>> priced solution with very basic key system functionality.
>> >>>
>> >>> best regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Abebe Amare
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12/17/10, Go0se < <me at go0se.com>me at go0se.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> <http://www.cisco.com/cisco/web/solutions/small_business/products/voice_c>
>> http://www.cisco.com/cisco/web/solutions/small_business/products/voice_c
>> > onfe
>> >>>> rencing/uc_500_series/index.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Click on the MODELS tab once you open the page above. Then click
>> > the GET
>> >>>> STARTED tab to find someone who'll sell/install it for you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Go0se
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My blog:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <http://atc.go0se.com>http://atc.go0se.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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>> >>>> From: <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>
>> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
>> >>>> [mailto: <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>
>> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Abebe
>> > Amare
>> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 6:45 AM
>> >>>> To: cisco voip
>> >>>> Subject: [cisco-voip] PBX
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello guys,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This might not be the right place to ask being a voip list, but I
>> > was
>> >>>> wondering if someone could recommend me a 48 phone capable PBX like
>> >>>> panasonic and if possible with phone models as well?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> best regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Abebe Amare
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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