[cisco-voip] PBX

Lelio Fulgenzi lelio at uoguelph.ca
Mon Dec 20 23:18:10 EST 2010 

Do you have network switches already? Is this a new hotel? Is there existing telephone wire to the rooms? Or are they pulling new cat5/6?

With VG224s you just use analog sets. The can be as cheap or as expensive as you want. Is this a fancy motel or a budget motel?

Costwise, you'd have to get it spec'ed out by your vendor to be sure. 

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On Dec 20, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Abebe Amare <abucho at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Lelio,
> 
> Currently there is nothing in place I am just looking for the right solution. How much would that kind of setup would cost? A UC500 with 6900 phones costs around 15000 USD (GPL) which is too much for me. 
> 
> Zoltan, do you happen to know some of the off-brand PBX systems? I might be able to buy them from the middle east.
> 
> best regards,
> 
> Abebe Amare
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> Something you can also consider is an H323 only implementation using voip dialpeers. I'm not sure what call control you have available, but a couple of VG224s with a small router might just do the trick.
> 
> Or am I off my rocker?
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On Dec 20, 2010, at 9:55 AM, <Zoltan.Kelemen at emerson.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Abebe,
> >
> > Cisco (as far as I know) will never be competitive with the most basic
> > systems as that is simply not their target market.
> >
> > Panasonic for example has some reliable PBX systems in that size and
> > with SLTs (single line telephones) it is certainly significantly below
> > $1000 per user (look for a KX-TDA 30 for that size). Off brand PBX
> > systems might be available for less, although this will largely depend
> > on what you can actually buy where you are from.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Zoltan Kelemen
> > ETS & Information Security
> > Global Operations (EMEA)
> > European Network Operations Engineer
> > Cluj-Napoca, Romania
> > zoltan.kelemen at emerson.com
> > w: +40 364 731356
> > m: +40 757 039093
> >
> > EMERSON
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
> > [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Abebe Amare
> > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 8:55 AM
> > To: David Zhars
> > Cc: cisco voip
> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] PBX
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > I reside in one of the poorest places in Africa so my insistence on
> > cost. The solution is for a small motel which needs about 40 phones.
> > They just need very basic features.There is no copper PSTN access for
> > outgoing calls only GSM connection. If the UC system is affordable
> > that is the best option for me.
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > Abebe
> > On 12/18/10, David Zhars <dzhars at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Well good luck Abebe....  I went through this same exercise 5 years
> > ago.  So
> >> called "standard" PBXs are very expensive, hard to configure or
> > expand, and
> >> have very little "future-ization" built in.  IP PBXs are very
> > expensive,
> >> moderately hard to configure and expand, and have a lot of
> > "future-ization"
> >> built in.   Do you deal with a large VAR like a CDW, or ProVantage,
> > PCMall,
> >> etc?  They might be a better source of information.  Many phone
> > companies
> >> now offer "rentable" PBXs, where the PBX stays in their building, and
> > it
> >> runs via a connection back to them (generally a high speed Internet
> >> connection).
> >>
> >> I found this blurb when I was doing my looking around and it's still
> > true
> >> today:
> >>
> >> "Estimating costs for a complete phone system are very difficult:
> > costs can
> >> quickly climb into the tens of thousands of dollars. Key systems and
> > hybrids
> >> can range from $350 to $1000 per user, depending on the features you
> > select.
> >> For larger PBX systems, prices start at around $800 per user, but
> > usually
> >> wind up more in the $1000 per user range. There are significant
> > economies of
> >> scale: very small offices will find it hard to stay under $1000 per
> > user for
> >> any system, and companies with 100 or more employees save
> > considerably."
> >>
> >> I would think it very hard to purchase and install a new PBX with new
> > phones
> >> for less than $500 a person, and that would be cheap.
> >>
> >> Again, good luck.  And last word: stay away from that junk you'll find
> > at
> >> Staples or Best Buy!!
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Abebe Amare <abucho at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Go0se,
> >>>
> >>> What kind of phones the UC 500 series support? Cisco phones are very
> >>> expensive for the price range I am looking for. I am looking for low
> >>> priced solution with very basic key system functionality.
> >>>
> >>> best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Abebe Amare
> >>>
> >>> On 12/17/10, Go0se <me at go0se.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>
> > http://www.cisco.com/cisco/web/solutions/small_business/products/voice_c
> > onfe
> >>>> rencing/uc_500_series/index.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Click on the MODELS tab once you open the page above. Then click
> > the GET
> >>>> STARTED tab to find someone who'll sell/install it for you.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Go0se
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My blog:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://atc.go0se.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
> >>>> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Abebe
> > Amare
> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 6:45 AM
> >>>> To: cisco voip
> >>>> Subject: [cisco-voip] PBX
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> This might not be the right place to ask being a voip list, but I
> > was
> >>>> wondering if someone could recommend me a 48 phone capable PBX like
> >>>> panasonic and if possible with phone models as well?
> >>>>
> >>>> best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Abebe Amare
> >>>>
> >>>>
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