[cisco-voip] Standby publisher

Fri Jul 2 12:46:27 EDT 2010

Donno if this would help or not, but there's some ways to change the MAC
address of the standby server (u will need the help of a linux guy). 

If you did that, u can use ur publisher license for the standby server as
well and hence u can easily do disaster recovery without getting back to TAC

Thanks and best regards,

EHAB SALEM
Cisco Instructor/Consultant, CCIE#26088 (Voice)
Mob: +2010-6224961
Sigma IT – Egypt

-----Original Message-----
From: Ahmed Elnagar [mailto:ahmed_elnagar at rayacorp.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 4:49 PM
To: Bill
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Standby publisher

Yes I meant Cisco hardware only "and specific part of it"...hopefully soon
it will be "supported" to be deployed on any vendor products with some
specific requirements.

 Best Regards;
  Ahmed Elnagar
  Senior Network PS Engineer
  Mob: +2019-0016211
  CCIE#24697 (Voice)

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill [mailto:bill at hitechconnection.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 4:13 PM
To: Ahmed Elnagar; 'Eric Butcher'; 'Ryan Ratliff'
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Standby publisher

It is also available for the UCS C series. 

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ahmed Elnagar
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 7:47 AM
To: Eric Butcher; Ryan Ratliff
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Standby publisher

Yeah I think that would be a good idea, but still the virtualization is
still not that mature...plus it is exclusively available for UCS B series
only...I think in the future this would be very applicable.

 Best Regards;
  Ahmed Elnagar
  Senior Network PS Engineer
  Mob: +2019-0016211
  CCIE#24697 (Voice)

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Butcher [mailto:Eric.Butcher at cdw.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:52 PM
To: Ryan Ratliff; Ahmed Elnagar
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Standby publisher

You bring up a good point.  The best way to support this is a virtualized
CUCM 8.x publisher on UCS-B series.  The mac doesn't really matter at that
point since you can configure a fake one and use it for the license.

Eric Butcher
Cisco Unified Communications Engineer
CDW Professional Services
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-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ryan Ratliff
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:50 PM
To: Ahmed Elnagar
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Standby publisher

Then you need to get such a requirement prioritized by BU. Having your
account team work with the marketing folks in the BU is the way to get this
done.

You can also look at moving to a virtualized publisher now.

-Ryan

On Jul 1, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Ahmed Elnagar wrote:

No the issue is some customers "especially call centers and service
providers" almost have daily changes and add on...they cannot withstand the
time that a Publisher is down...we need another server in the cluster that
replicates that DB real time for CUCM Publisher and it can act as a
Publisher in the event that the "primary" Publisher fail.

 Best Regards;
  Ahmed Elnagar
  Senior Network PS Engineer
  Mob: +2019-0016211
 CCIE#24697 (Voice)

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill [mailto:bill at hitechconnection.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:18 PM
To: Ahmed Elnagar; 'Ryan Ratliff'
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Standby publisherpublisher. This changes a bit
in6.x where the "user facing features" are written on each node,and
replicated out to other nodes in realtime. This is what lets youset and
clear CFA with the pub down in later versions.

Yes it's called a subscriber. :)

Like the other person that responded said you are adding another level of
redundancy to an already redundant system.

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ahmed Elnagar
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:02 AM
To: Ryan Ratliff
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Standby publisherpublisher. This changes a bit
in6.x where the "user facing features" are written on each node,and
replicated out to other nodes in realtime. This is what lets youset and
clear CFA with the pub down in later versions.

Ryan;

Do Cisco has any plans for a "Backup Publisher" I have this discussion with
customers since the 4.x train till now.

 Best Regards;
  Ahmed Elnagar
  Senior Network PS Engineer
  Mob: +2019-0016211
 CCIE#24697 (Voice)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Ratliff [mailto:rratliff at cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 4:28 PM
To: Bill
Cc: Ahmed Elnagar; 'Andrius Kislas'; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Standby publisherpublisher. This changes a bit in
6.x where the "user facing features" are written on each node, and
replicated out to other nodes in realtime. This is what lets you set and
clear CFA with the pub down in later versions.

No you can't.  All database changes can only be made to the publisher.  This
changes a bit in 6.x where the "user facing features" are written on each
node, and replicated out to other nodes in realtime.  This is what lets you
set and clear CFA with the pub down in later versions.

See
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/rel_notes/6_0_1/cucm-rel_
note-601a.html#wp44437 for specfics.

Having a standby publisher installed and ready for restore is not a bad idea
but you will be restricted by licensing (P1 TAC SR with the licensing team
should get you rehosted pretty quickly I hope).  The only thing to worry
about wrt to IP address is if the pub is specified in System->Server by IP
address this would cause problems after the restore.   This could be avoided
simply by changing the IP address to match the failed publisher before
starting the restore.

-Ryan

On Jul 1, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Bill wrote:

Also, at least in the 4.x days, you can still make changes to the subscriber
if the publisher is down. 

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ahmed Elnagar
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:43 AM
To: Andrius Kislas
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Standby publisher

What about the license? The license relates to the MAC address of the
server??

Best Regards;
 Ahmed Elnagar
 Senior Network PS Engineer
 Mob: +2019-0016211
CCIE#24697 (Voice)

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Andrius Kislas
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:17 PM
To: Cisco Voip
Subject: [cisco-voip] Standby publisher

Hi All.

Correct me if I am wrong, but when the publisher fails the biggest impact we
have is not being able to change configuration. In large environments this
might be serious impact.

My question is - does anybody use a standby/cold publisher that has the only
task - sit and wait until the primary publisher fails? This standby
published would ba standalone (not a member of existing cluster), would have
different IP address (in the same subnet) and the same name as existing
publisher, would have no licenses uploaded and would be kept in the same
version as primary publisher. During primary publisher failure we would need
to change IP address and perform disaster recovery. This would save us some
time that we would typiacly need to get new server, install new publisher,
upgrade it and finally perform recovery.

Does it sound fine or are there any caveats for such approach?

Regards,
Andrius

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