[cisco-voip] School Building VoIP 911

[Tim Reimers]

I'd also check with your Fire Marshall's office.

In NC, the requirement is still for the 2003 fire code, which does NOT allow fire alarm panels to be connected to anything except a true dedicated POTS line.
The State and our own fire inspectors said that no on premises electronics may be involved in any sort of alarm  communications. MUST be a direct POTS connection.

The 2010 NC code does allow in some vague way for non POTS equipment, but no one seems really sure exactly how, and the point is moot anyhow since the County has not adopted anything later than 2003 code anyhow.

Plus that, I have empirical experience with alarm panels dialing out to the alarm company correctly, yet still somehow failing to pass along information in the stream of modem data going over the emulated POTS line.

Cisco can't explain that, and TAC didn't want to support alarm lines over VOIP.

I was told by a Cisco TAC engineer and also an SE that Cisco THEMSELVES do not run their building alarm panels through their own phone system.

That should tell you something about running alarm panels via VOIP -
If the OEM doesn't do that in their own buildings using their own equipment....


-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net on behalf of Webber, Bill
Sent: Wed 6/9/2010 10:45 AM
To: Dennis Heim; Mike King; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] School Building VoIP 911
 
On our old Nortel PBX systems we had power failure transfer phones.  If power was lost to the PBXs the POTS lines would automatically be available.  Since we've gone to VoIP we still have the POTS lines and have placed analog phones in key locations throughout our campuses.  These phones now have dial tone at all times.  We looked into satellite phones but the cost was prohibitive.

I'm not familiar with the "dee's" product.  

 Bill Webber 
2900 Community College Avenue
MSS-500
Cleveland, OH 44115
216-987-4372








-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Heim
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 5:43 PM
To: Mike King; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] School Building VoIP 911

Call the county and ask to speak with the e911 coordinator or director. This will be the person that is in charge of your PSAP. This person will know or atleast form a good starting point.

Dennis Heim
Network Voice Engineer
CDW  Advanced Technology Services
11711 N. Meridian Street, Suite 225
Carmel, IN  46032

317.569.4255 Office
317.569.4201 Fax
317.694.6070 Cell
dennis.heim at cdw.com
cdw.com/content/solutions/unified-communications/


-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Mike King
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 5:34 PM
To: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] School Building VoIP 911

I would call the PUCO at (800) 686-PUCO (This is the number for OHIO, which is where your domain is pointing too.)

They will tell you what applicable laws you need to meet.


In Massachusetts, until July 1st, 2009 education was exempted from all
e911 legislation.   A new law was passed in Mass that requires e911
reporting by square footage.

My point is it will be highly individual for each state / county.

That should answer your legal question.

I highly agree with Lelio that you need a "Red Phone".  There are external devices that accomplish the same thing if you do not have the capability of getting the EVM cards. I've used the dee's product in past environments.

http://www.dees.com/html/154_8_154A_8.html

Mike

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Erik Potteiger <epotteiger at findlaycityschools.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I am thinking about installing a VG224 for about 15 lines at a public 
> building.  I have UCM 6.1 and a Cisco 2801 SRST with 2 FXO ports both 
> FXO ports are connected to POTS lines and all 911 calls are routed out 
> the POTS lines.  I also have a fire alarm that will be connected to 2 POTS lines.
> All components are on a UPS that can handle a power outage of 10 minutes.
> After 10 minutes all phones would be dead except for the fire alarm system.
> I am concerned about 911 during a power outage.  If all the phones are 
> dead in a public building during a power outage is this illegal?  I am 
> not concerned about safety almost everyone in the building carries a 
> cell phone.  I am thinking keeping one POTS line at the front desk.  
> Any suggestions or information about 911 laws.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Erik
>
>
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