[cisco-voip] cisco licensing changes...

Thu Mar 4 19:50:35 EST 2010

Thanks for the extra info Matt. A lot of my concerns right now are stemming
from what will I need to do to manage this correctly.. Right now we
provision end-users primarily just so they show up in the corporate
directory - the only ones that actually log in with those accounts are
contact center agents. Do I now need to audit every single phone and make
sure its tied to an end-user? multiple users? One of the reasons CUWL hasn't
been particularly attractive is that many of our endpoints are not tied to a
user (no need for VM etc) - "open space" phones under the new licensing. Now
I need to specifically identify all of these for licensing? DLU's made a lot
more sense to me - a phone is a phone is a phone.

UCCX and Unity seems like should be fairly cut and dry... except the prices
are going to go up. i dont need extra server nodes of anything, so no
benefit to me that I can tell... higher cost for new phones/seats/mailboxes,
possibly some busy work to switch over to the new licensing. Just my point
of view as a customer versus a partner.

I thought Cisco was pretty forgiving when migrating out of 4.x to the DLU
structure, I hope they are similarly patient with this one.

I agree if you are buying a new system (or selling many new systems if you
are a cisco partner), the new licensing probably makes a lot of sense and
actually the way UCSS is sold works out much better with this system.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Matthew Loraditch <
MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com> wrote:

>    So here's some info that wasn't in the article and might help Ed and
> Lelio out.
>
>
>
> 1) If you have UCSS You will automatically get upgraded when you upgrade to
> 7.1.5 or 8.0 and later. At the moment this is just a paper conversion the
> licenses aren't going to enforced immediately. That will be in future
> upgrades. If your UCSS user counts aren't acurate you will have issues when
> license enforcement happens.
>
> 2) Server classes and node counts will no longer matter. You can now get
> the usually cheaper more powerful HP or IBM oem servers and not pay anything
> extra!!
>
> 3) Lelio, the DMA tool shouldn't have anything to do with this as it will
> convert your phone count to DLUs which will still be the actual license's
> being counted by the server until a post 8.0 release.
>
>
>
> That's some basics not convered in the posting Lelio pointed out. If you
> have access to the partner link Ahmed gave pretty much every question under
> the sun is answered there, if you don't I am happy to answer or try to find
> any answers i don't quite know.
>
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> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [
> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ahmed Elnagar [
> ahmed_elnagar at rayacorp.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:33 PM
> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi
> *Cc:* cisco-voip voyp list
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] cisco licensing changes...
>
>   It is to be noted that UCL will be the only option for 8.0 version and
> it will start in 7.1.5
>
>
>
> The good thing is that it will simplify the ordering as you no longer need
> to quote server software, DLUs, ports, options; you will just provide the
> number of users and Cisco will give you the optimum.
>
>
>
> More in the below link:
>
>
> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/sell/technology/ipc/integrated-solutions/user_connect_licensing.html
>
>
>
>   Best Regards;
>
>   Ahmed Elnagar
>
>   Senior Network PS Engineer
>
>  [image: ccie_voice_large.gif][image: ccvp_voice_large.gif]
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:
> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Lelio Fulgenzi
> *Sent:* Friday, March 05, 2010 12:15 AM
> *To:* cisco-voip voyp list
> *Subject:* [cisco-voip] cisco licensing changes...
>
>
>
> an interesting article
>
> http://www.nojitter.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=223101050
>
> i wonder how the DMA tool to go from 4.1(x) to 7.1(x) is going to handle
> all this.
>
> my headache just got worse.
>
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
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