[cisco-voip] cisco licensing changes...

Fri Mar 5 11:45:27 EST 2010

So help me understand this new licensing structure:

under CUWL I had only a couple options: But all users had the same licenses.
 does that change under UCL?  eg.  I have ~500 users.  ~400 Unity users, and
~20 UCCx agents.  Does UCL cover all, or is each application have a
different UCL?  Really the best thing for me is ala cart rather then
packaged together as I'm looking at moving away from Unity (and use OCS for
IM / presence) and going to Exchange leaving me only CM and UCCx which I
would not want to pay for ~500 users of CCx.  Also how is moving from CM 6
to 8 going to work?  I have to associated users to every phone?  I'm Ldap
integrated and I don't want to loose out because I don't have a phone
associated.

How is UCSS going to work?  We are now going to send cisco our UCL count so
the UCSS changes to what ever the upgrade tells me I have for UCL licenses?
 I'd like to see what the price difference is going to be to my maintenance
contract costs.  <Rant> If it's anything like Unity, I'll have to move to M$
for call processing also. </Rant>

Scott

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Caveat: my views come from 6-7 years in the operations space at
> non-partners/corporate entities - I've only been with a partner for about 6
> months now :)
>
> The way UCSS works is definitely a good thing, regardless of the licensing
> model on top of it.
>
> As for migration, I've heard nothing specific out of Cisco as to how it
> will work, but I would imagine that there's going to be some level of
> leniency when converting from DLU to UCL or CUWL to UCL.  For managing it
> correctly - I haven't seen any specifics either.  I've got a lab 8.0 system
> set up, but nothing using UCL to give you a "hands-on" review of how it'll
> work.  If I had to guess it'll tie to having phones associated to users
> (which is good operational policy imo) but that does wreak havoc with phones
> associated to multiple users, etc.  I imagine we'll see much more
> information in the coming months on this.
>
> For your common area (non-user) phones, there are two specific CUWL options
> for this; one for analog ports and one for common spaces - both provide
> phone licenses only (no voicemail, etc.) and come at a pretty steep
> discount.
>
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> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Ed Leatherman <ealeatherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the extra info Matt. A lot of my concerns right now are
>> stemming from what will I need to do to manage this correctly.. Right now we
>> provision end-users primarily just so they show up in the corporate
>> directory - the only ones that actually log in with those accounts are
>> contact center agents. Do I now need to audit every single phone and make
>> sure its tied to an end-user? multiple users? One of the reasons CUWL hasn't
>> been particularly attractive is that many of our endpoints are not tied to a
>> user (no need for VM etc) - "open space" phones under the new licensing. Now
>> I need to specifically identify all of these for licensing? DLU's made a lot
>> more sense to me - a phone is a phone is a phone.
>>
>> UCCX and Unity seems like should be fairly cut and dry... except the
>> prices are going to go up. i dont need extra server nodes of anything, so no
>> benefit to me that I can tell... higher cost for new phones/seats/mailboxes,
>> possibly some busy work to switch over to the new licensing. Just my point
>> of view as a customer versus a partner.
>>
>> I thought Cisco was pretty forgiving when migrating out of 4.x to the DLU
>> structure, I hope they are similarly patient with this one.
>>
>> I agree if you are buying a new system (or selling many new systems if you
>> are a cisco partner), the new licensing probably makes a lot of sense and
>> actually the way UCSS is sold works out much better with this system.
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Matthew Loraditch <
>> MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com> wrote:
>>
>>>     So here's some info that wasn't in the article and might help Ed and
>>> Lelio out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) If you have UCSS You will automatically get upgraded when you upgrade
>>> to 7.1.5 or 8.0 and later. At the moment this is just a paper conversion the
>>> licenses aren't going to enforced immediately. That will be in future
>>> upgrades. If your UCSS user counts aren't acurate you will have issues when
>>> license enforcement happens.
>>>
>>> 2) Server classes and node counts will no longer matter. You can now get
>>> the usually cheaper more powerful HP or IBM oem servers and not pay anything
>>> extra!!
>>>
>>> 3) Lelio, the DMA tool shouldn't have anything to do with this as it will
>>> convert your phone count to DLUs which will still be the actual license's
>>> being counted by the server until a post 8.0 release.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's some basics not convered in the posting Lelio pointed out. If you
>>> have access to the partner link Ahmed gave pretty much every question under
>>> the sun is answered there, if you don't I am happy to answer or try to find
>>> any answers i don't quite know.
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *Matthew Loraditch*
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>>>
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>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [
>>> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ahmed Elnagar [
>>> ahmed_elnagar at rayacorp.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:33 PM
>>> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi
>>> *Cc:* cisco-voip voyp list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] cisco licensing changes...
>>>
>>>    It is to be noted that UCL will be the only option for 8.0 version
>>> and it will start in 7.1.5
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The good thing is that it will simplify the ordering as you no longer
>>> need to quote server software, DLUs, ports, options; you will just provide
>>> the number of users and Cisco will give you the optimum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> More in the below link:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/sell/technology/ipc/integrated-solutions/user_connect_licensing.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Best Regards;
>>>
>>>   Ahmed Elnagar
>>>
>>>   Senior Network PS Engineer
>>>
>>>  [image: ccie_voice_large.gif][image: ccvp_voice_large.gif]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:
>>> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Lelio Fulgenzi
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 05, 2010 12:15 AM
>>> *To:* cisco-voip voyp list
>>> *Subject:* [cisco-voip] cisco licensing changes...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> an interesting article
>>>
>>> http://www.nojitter.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=223101050
>>>
>>> i wonder how the DMA tool to go from 4.1(x) to 7.1(x) is going to handle
>>> all this.
>>>
>>> my headache just got worse.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
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