[cisco-voip] Anyone in the US sending Calling Name with Calling number?

Thu Mar 18 17:36:26 EDT 2010

Very well put. 

I'm guessing that most Canadian telcos don't bother with the search then and just take what you give them. 

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Holloway" <mh at markholloway.com> 
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca> 
Cc: "Carlos Ortiz" <COrtiz at sscincorporated.com>, "Scott Voll" <Scott.Voll at wesd.org>, cisco-voip at puck.nether.net 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:30:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Anyone in the US sending Calling Name with Calling number? 

If the carrier where the call originates from allows you to send any outbound clid name you want, it's because they are simply inserting that name into the SS7 messaging. It's entirely dependent upon the carrier that owns the called number as to whether they will honor it or dip LIDB. 

On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote: 

Carlos is correct, just cause you can, doesn't mean they will honour it. 

That's in fact, another difference with US vs Canadian Telcos. In Canada, they mostly want you to send that information, where in the US they do the SS7 lookup. And the look up is arbitrary. Well, not controlled anyways. 

When we first went IP, the last person to register a directory listing with our main number was a hamburger joint. For months, any call from us to the US appeared from this hamburger joint. 

It was not fun. 

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN) 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil) 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carlos Ortiz" < COrtiz at sscincorporated.com > 
To: "Scott Voll" < Scott.Voll at wesd.org >, "Mark Rudholm" < mark at rudholm.com >, "Cristobal Priego" < cristobalpriego at gmail.com > 
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:08:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Anyone in the US sending Calling Name with Calling number? 

Allowing you to send Calling Name doesn't really do much for you. From 
what I understand, if the terminating LEC does a lookup on the number 
then the LIDB database name information they retrieve is what will be 
displayed. I have not seen any LECS as of yet that just take what you 
send them and display it. I'm pretty sure a majority of them don't. 

Carlos 

-----Original Message----- 
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net 
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Mark Rudholm 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:59 PM 
To: Cristobal Priego 
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Anyone in the US sending Calling Name with 
Calling number? 

I was unaware that caller-sent CNAM was delivered anywhere in the 
US. The fact that the terminating CO does the CNAM lookup has 
been a convenient way to get reliable reverse-lookup info on any 
given number. 

For example, my home in California is served by an at&t BRI. 
at&t doesn't deliver CNAM at all on BRIs, so when I get an inbound 
call, I simultaneously ring the phones in the house and send the 
call back out to a CID-equipped POTS line via an ITSP. When the 
call comes back into the house via the POTS line and into an FXO 
port, I replace the CID on the ringing phones with the information 
from the POTS CID delivery. So to watch a phone ring in my house, 
you'll see just the number for the first few seconds, then you see 
the number and the name. 

This wouldn't work if CNAM relied on data sent by the call originator. 

Does anyone have an example of a LEC or NPA-NXX-X in the US where 
CNAM is delivered as sent? I'm intrigued. 

-Mark 

Cristobal Priego wrote: 
> if you have an H.323 gateway issue this command 
> voice service voip 
> h323 
> h225 display-ie ccm-compatible 
> 
> 
> 2010/3/17 Ryan Ratliff < rratliff at cisco.com 
< mailto:rratliff at cisco.com >> 
> 
> "Display IE Delivery" 
> 
> Be aware that in the US there is no guarantee that the person you 
> are calling will honor the calling name you send. Most providers 
do 
> the name lookup locally based on calling number. 
> 
> The differences between the US and Canada were brought up on this 
> list earlier this week and the archives will have plenty of 
details. 
> 
> -Ryan 
> 
> On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Scott Voll wrote: 
> 
> I'm working with Qwest in Oregon and they are offering a service 
> where i can send calling name also out my PRI's. How do I do that 
> with CM 6.1 and H323 VGW? 
> 
> thanks 
> 
> Scott 
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