[cisco-voip] Cisco Mobile 8.0 / CUMA

Tue May 18 10:18:29 EDT 2010

It is kind of like Mobility with SNR was. First rev requires a separate server. Second rev, it was integrated into ccm. We pretty much see that here. CUMA server, then largely moved into CCM. Eventually I am sure other phone types may be included in addition to the iPhone. A lot easier to sell a bucket of DLU's versus a bucket of DLU's but a server and a new piece of server software.

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-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ryan Ratliff
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:34 AM
To: Ed Leatherman
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco Mobile 8.0 / CUMA

I agree that they are confusing, but if you look at it as an evolution of a brand new product (mobility features on smartphones) rather than two separate products hopefully it will make a bit more sense.

-Ryan

On May 18, 2010, at 8:20 AM, Ed Leatherman wrote:

> Tim you are exactly right. It has had my head spinning, but this 
> thread has been helpful. I think if my SE did mention it, I was 
> probably already mixed up with them and assumed they were the same 
> thing.
> 
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Tim Frazee <tfrazee at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It seems to me that Cisco really messed up with this product. They 
>> have named 2 products with very, very similar names and very similar functions.
>> This confusion I'm sure is farther than just what we see here on this list.
>> 
>> Here is what I know about:
>> 
>> Cisco Mobile 8.0 for iPhone:
>> *SIP phone for iPhone, registers via wifi *routes voice traffic via 
>> IP
>> 
>> CUMA-client for iPhone, (Cisco Mobile) *similar products for windows 
>> mobile, nokia and blackberry *requires cuma server *does not route 
>> voice traffic via IP (calls route via PSTN) *proprietary call 
>> control/information via SSL IP
>> 
>> The 2 products are a bit different in how they do what they do and 
>> take a much different approach in how they do it.
>> 
>> CUMA has some pretty steep requirements as far as network, CUCM 
>> setup, directory requirements and deployment. The Cisco Mobile 8.0 
>> app has none of these requirements.
>> 
>> Its better to think of Cisco Mobile 8.0 as Cisco Mobile lite.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Ryan Ratliff <rratliff at cisco.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 8.0 iPhone client doesn't know how to use a CUMA server as it 
>>> only talks to CUCM directly.
>>> It does require you be wi-fi connected (either inside the network or 
>>> using the vpn client).
>>> I don't support this product so have not been paying the closest 
>>> attention but the FAQ looks pretty decent.
>>> 
>>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cumc/cisco_mobile/iPho
>>> ne/8_0/FAQs/English/Cisco_Mobile_8_chapter1.html
>>> -Ryan
>>> On May 17, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Ted Nugent wrote:
>>> 
>>> Correct me if i'm wrong and give me links if I am please. But with 
>>> Cisco Mobile for the IPhone you don't need a server for On Premise 
>>> dualmode but once you get out of 802.11x and go off prem you still 
>>> do need CUMA to take advantage of everything you had in dual mode 
>>> range (DVO, Presence, CUMC etc)... Correct? I have seen a ton of 
>>> conflicting information about this but most everything that I have 
>>> read supports that.... otherwise there appears to be magical link 
>>> that gets you back when your off prem and I would like know how to conjure it...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Bill <bill at hitechconnection.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes I know CUMA is the server, but with the Cisco Mobile for the 
>>>> Iphone you don't need the server. So my question still stands. I 
>>>> don't like talking to my account team. They just want to sell 
>>>> product. J
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> 
>>>> From: Ryan Ratliff [mailto:rratliff at cisco.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 8:55 AM
>>>> To: Bill
>>>> Cc: 'cisco-voip voyp list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco Mobile 8.0 / CUMA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cisco Mobile is the client, CUMA is the server.  You should talk to 
>>>> your account team for roadmap questions, or look for details with 
>>>> the release of the 8.0 clients on other platforms.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Ryan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On May 17, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So is Cisco Mobile the replacement for CUMA? Is CUMA EOL? If it is 
>>>> the replacement is there any roadmap for the other phones such as 
>>>> windows mobile and crackberries?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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