[cisco-voip] customer-provided MCS-equivalent IBM servers, currently available in Europe?

Wed Jun 22 02:35:12 EDT 2011

For what it's worth... The original system is 1x CUCM Publisher and 1x Unity so I suspect the deployment size is under 1K.
As Nick was saying, two x C200's are an ideal choice. And I'm not sure about the pricing in Europe but bear in mind the one's quoted below could be RRP.

In Australia the C200's and C210's are very cost effective when compared to the equivalent MCS appliance.

Take a closer look at see what it will come to.

Cheers
D

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From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Nick Matthews
Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2011 12:15 PM
To: Zenon Mousmoulas
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] customer-provided MCS-equivalent IBM servers, currently available in Europe?

These numbers were actually a little off, and the MCS servers are a bit cheaper than I thought.

Not sure what type of policy there is on pricing but we can simplify with percentages.

C210, 3 years: 100%
C200, 3 years: 45%
7825, 3 years: 50%
7835, 3 years: 84%
7845, 3 years: 160%

So basically it looks like if you're over 1000 users and can't fit on a C200, but you can fit everything on 3 7825's it makes sense.
There's a 16% or so gap between 7835's and the C210, but even then there's enough of a business case in my opinion to go to the C210's.

-nick

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Nick Matthews <matthnick at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure if I fully understand the numbers behind this.  This is 
> kind of a pricing specific look, not very techy.
>
> If you're going to deploy less than 1000 users, a C200 is the obvious 
> choice.  These are about the price of a single 7825, so it would be 
> perfect for your situation.
>
> If you're looking at more than 1000, you're looking at MCS or C-series.
>
> If we assume 7835 it's something like 18k, 7845, 24k.  A C-series is
> 26k+3k Vmware licensing= 29k.  Many of the companies I've encountered
> have an ELA so they are already paying for the 3k, and it's 26k.
>
> If you're on 7835's, it would look like: 3x 18k = 56k.  The services 
> on these are about 3x the price of a single UCS blade, so you're 
> probably looking at least another 5k a year on services.  3 years, 
> 71k.
>
> If you're on 7845's, the math is more obvious.  3x 24k = 72k.
> Probably looking at 7k a year in services, so 91k over 3 years.
>
> 7825's, it would be something like 3x 12k = 36k.  Services maybe 3k a 
> year, total of 45k.
>
> C210 would be 2 times 29k, 58k.  Service will be more like 2k a year, 
> so total 64k.
>
> 7825's are normally used in the 1000-2000 user range.  From the math 
> I've looked at, that's really the only time it makes financial sense 
> to go physical.  Plus, this is also assuming a non-redundant voicemail 
> and no contact center or presence plans, as any of those 3 would push 
> it towards virtualized.
>
> Other notes: On the C200/C210/B200 you would be able to have redundant 
> voicemail for no additional hardware cost.  You could also use the 
> spare processing power to run a lab, which many cannot justify 
> otherwise.  I think it would be logical to assume that in a few years 
> Cisco will get away from the physical architecture and future 
> platforms would be virtualized only.  In that case, it will cost more 
> to move to virtualized in both experience and hardware costs at some 
> point.  As well, for these calculations I took pretty rough 
> estimations and also assumed 4 hour support with US prices.  I don't 
> know what they would look like in Europe.
>
> Hope this helps a bit, even if it doesn't answer your direct question.
>
> -nick
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Zenon Mousmoulas <zmousm at admin.grnet.gr> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are planning to upgrade our infrastructure, migrating from 1x CUCM 6.1 and 1x Unity 5.x to 2x (publisher-subscriber cluster) CUCM 8.x and 1x CUCN 8.x. In this context we are facing the need for new hardware to run the UC apps. Since the Cisco MCS hardware is rather expensive, relative to the overall budget of the project and also compared to the pricing of non-Cisco branded servers with matching specifications, we are considering the use of IBM servers.
>>
>> We have been looking at the IBM server solutions for Cisco 7800 MCS[1] but we have realized that the models listed there are rather outdated and/or the given IBM part numbers are not available in Europe. To be more specific, the web page lists IBM part number 7947-PML as equivalent to Cisco MCS-7835-I3 but this part number is not available to order from IBM (anymore). A currently available IBM server with matching (or better) specs would rather be IBM System x3650 M3 with part number 7945K8G[2].
>>
>> We have also considered virtualizing the UC apps, however a) entry-level UCS (we would need two for redundancy) is not attractive, for the same reasons, b) blade servers (both Cisco and third-party) are out of the question in this case due to rack space, power, A/C, networking etc. and most importantly budget restrictions, c) complying to "Specs-based VMware Support"[3] policy requires considerable over-engineering, which is not justified in the context of such a project, unless we were to build a full-fledged virtualization infrastructure for broader use. So it seems that going with a non-virtualized deployment makes more sense in our case.
>>
>> Is there maybe a more current list of MCS-equivalent IBM systems? Does anyone have experience running UC apps on slightly different systems, are they supported by Cisco after all? Any other ideas?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Zenon Mousmoulas
>>
>> [1] 
>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6790/ps5748/ps37
>> 8/product_solution_overview0900aecd80091615.html
>> [2] 
>> http://www5.pc.ibm.com/europe/products.nsf/$wwwPartNumLookup/_7945K8G
>> ?OpenDocument&ExpandSection=1&sourcesite=IBM
>> [3] 
>> http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Specification-Based_Hardware_Support
>>
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