[cisco-voip] Cisco ATA 187 and connection plar

Thu May 12 10:14:16 EDT 2011

Hi Ryan,
i have already done that (account team). But i need to have an open TAC.

Regards
Anthony

On 12/5/2011 16:40, Ryan Ratliff wrote:
> If the ATA doesn't support using CUCM SIP dial rules then there's not 
> much you can do aside from looking for alternatives or push your 
> account team on getting a feature request in.  It doesn't appear the 
> ATA186 supported connection plar natively either, it just so happened 
> that the sccp protocol allowed CUCM to handle it.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On May 11, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Kevin Damisch wrote:
>
> Even in the latest guide for 8.5(1), doesn’t look like there is any 
> ATA 187 support for PLAR.  I’d be curious to try it on a 7942 running 
> SIP, but don’t have one handy.  Once your TAC engineer sees this 
> document, I can guarantee the first words out of their mouth will be 
> “unsupported”. J
>
> *Private Line Automatic Ringdown (PLAR)*
> Configure a phone that is running SIP for Private Line Automatic 
> Ringdown (PLAR), so when the user goes off hook (or the NewCall 
> softkey or line key gets pressed), the phone immediately dials a 
> preconfigured number. The phone user cannot dial any other number from 
> the phone line that gets configured for PLAR. Because PLAR gets 
> configured in Cisco Unified Communications Manager Administration as 
> an empty pattern, it does not get associated with a device or line. To 
> make the Cisco Unified IP Phone support PLAR, an empty pattern gets 
> configured in the SIP Dial Rules for a specific line, and the dial 
> rule then gets applied to the Cisco Unified IP Phone by using Phone 
> Configuration in Cisco Unified Communications Manager Administration. 
> For more information on PLAR, see"Configuring Private Line Automatic 
> Ringdown (PLAR)" 
> <http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/admin/8_5_1/ccmcfg/b03dn.html#wpxref85834>in"Directory 
> Number Configuration" 
> <http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/admin/8_5_1/ccmcfg/b03dn.html#wpxref92209>in 
> the/Cisco Unified Communications Manager Administration Guide/.
> <image001.gif>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Note*<image003.png>Only Cisco Unified IP Phones 7940/41, 7960/61, and 
> 7970/71 support PLAR for SIP.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> *From:*Anthony Kouloglou [mailto:akoul at dataways.gr]
> *Sent:*Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:48 PM
> *To:*Kevin Damisch
> *Cc:*Matthew Ballard;cisco-voip at puck-nether.net 
> <mailto:cisco-voip at puck-nether.net>
> *Subject:*Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco ATA 187 and connection plar
>
> Nope!
> And i am still trying to find out what to do.
> I will soon open a TAC and see what happens.
>
> Anthony
>
> On 12/5/2011 12:45 πμ, Kevin Damisch wrote:
> So, where did this end up?  Has anyone been able to setup the blank 
> translation pattern method of PLAR for an ATA 187 using the SIP dial 
> rules?
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> *From:*cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net 
> <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net]*On 
> Behalf Of*Anthony Kouloglou
> *Sent:*Friday, May 06, 2011 4:23 AM
> *To:*Matthew Ballard
> *Cc:*cisco-voip at puck-nether.net <mailto:cisco-voip at puck-nether.net>
> *Subject:*Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco ATA 187 and connection plar
>
> Hi Thanks for the update, and Lelio too,
> but i do have 3 dozens of ATA 187 since cisco could not provide me 186 
> (they were end of sale).
> They told me that they are replacements for ATA 186.
> I could expect from them to do the appropriate clarification.
> I am really, really frustrated.
>
> On 6/5/2011 02:50, Matthew Ballard wrote:
> The VG200 series (VG202, VG204, VG224) as well any Cisco routers with 
> the appropriate voice ports can be setup to do what you want.  I have 
> lines in a VG224 setup as SCCP lines in CM, with that very 
> functionality in place, and it works just fine.
>
> Matthew Ballard
> Network Manager
> Otis College of Art and Design
> mballard at otis.edu <mailto:mballard at otis.edu>
>
> *From:*cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net 
> <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net]*On 
> Behalf Of*Anthony Kouloglou
> *Sent:*Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:09 AM
> *To:*Ryan Ratliff
> *Cc:*cisco-voip at puck-nether.net <mailto:cisco-voip at puck-nether.net>
> *Subject:*Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco ATA 187 and connection plar
>
> Hi all,
> it does not work with ATA187 :-(
> I don't know if there is a way to overcome the problem.
> I am really desperate.
> Why can't cisco create a sip dial rule that works with that?
> ATA 187 is from the same vendor that makes the Call Manager: CiSCO!!
> You may have tones of them in places that you want that feature 
> (elevators, lobbys, bathrooms).
> It is really hard to believe...
>
>
> On 4/5/2011 18:02, Ryan Ratliff wrote:
> I don't know much at all about the ATA 187 but nothing in the Admin 
> Guide leads me to believe it's a feature the ATA supports itself.
>
> The data sheet did have the words "dial plan" on it but I have no idea 
> what that specifically references.  I'd say you are in the realm of 
> try it and see if it works or not.
>
> If it doesn't work and is a feature you need then you need to get in 
> touch with your account team to have them get a feature request in for 
> the ATA.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On May 4, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Anthony Kouloglou wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
> what do you mean"to be configured on the ATA itself"?
> Is it possible to configure this way an ATA 187?
>
> On 4/5/2011 17:46, Ryan Ratliff wrote:
> On a VG where you configure dial-peers you can configure 'connection 
> plar' on the voice-port just as you would on any other router that is 
> not controlled by CUCM.
>
> The ATA is the tricky one.  It likely did not exist at the time that 
> doc was written and so if it supports SIP dial rules from CUCM it'll 
> work.  If it doesn't then any plar functionality would have to be 
> configured on the ATA itself.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On May 4, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
>
>
>
> According to that doc:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Note*Only Cisco Unified IP Phones 7940/41, 7960/61, and 7970/71 
> support PLAR for SIP.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Guess that means if you need analog PLAR, you need VG224/202/204 
> running something else other than SIP?
>
> Good to know.
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
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> *From:*"Ryan Ratliff" <rratliff at cisco.com <mailto:rratliff at cisco.com>>
> *To:*"Anthony Kouloglou" <akoul at dataways.gr <mailto:akoul at dataways.gr>>
> *Cc:*"cisco-voip at puck-nether.net <mailto:cisco-voip at puck-nether.net>" 
> <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>>
> *Sent:*Wednesday, May 4, 2011 10:22:34 AM
> *Subject:*Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco ATA 187 and connection plar
>
> SIP phones don't signal offhook to CUCM in the same way SCCP phones do 
> so there is no opportunity for CUCM to treat it as a call with no 
> dialed number.
>
> For SIP you need to configure dial rules.
> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/admin/7_1_2/ccmsys/a03adial.html#wpmkr1039674
>
> -Ryan
>
> On May 4, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Anthony Kouloglou wrote:
>
> Hi, i have followed cisco recommendations to simulate hot line support 
> for CUCM 7.1.5.
> These recommendations are:
> created a blank translation pattern that has a partition that is 
> included only in a css that a few devices have.
> This TP, has an Called Party Transform mask mask of a target DN.
> So, when, one of these phones go offhook, it matches this TP and dials 
> the appropriate number.
> But this does not seem to work with ATA 187.
> Is does nothing when picking up the phone.
> Does it has to do with SIP?
> Has anyone tried it before?
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