[cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware

Wed Jan 18 11:13:31 EST 2012

cool. that explains it well. 

from this, if we have a supported blade based VM infrastructure, then we just have to keep UC on separate blades than other third party app VMs. 

does that sound right? 

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From: "Ruben Montes (Europe)" <ruben.montes at dimensiondata.com> 
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca> 
Cc: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net, "cisco-voip" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>, "Matthew Loraditch" <MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com>, "Scott Voll" <svoll.voip at gmail.com>, "gr11" <grccie at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:09:57 AM 
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware 

>From this link: 

http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Unified_Communications_Virtualization_Sizing_Guidelines 

To determine which applications may share a physical server, use the following guidelines: 

    • Application mix on same physical server / vSphere ESXi host limited to "UC with UC only". 
        • Same rules for UC on UCS TRC, or UC on UCS specs-based, or HP/IBM specs-based. 
        • Co-residency of UC with 3rd-party application VMs (such as TFTP/SFTP/DNS/DHCP servers, Directories, Groupware, File/print, CRM, VMware vCenter, etc.) is not supported at this time . These applications may be placed on a separate physical server from UC. For UCS B-series, this can be an adjacent blade in the same chassis. 
        • Co-residency of UC with non-UC Cisco VMs (such as Cisco Nexus 1000V VSM) is not supported at this time. These VMs may be placed on a separate physical server from UC. For UCS B-series, this can be an adjacent blade 

Regards, 

Ruben 

From: Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca] 
Sent: miércoles, 18 de enero de 2012 16:29 
To: Ruben Montes (Europe) 
Cc: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net; cisco-voip; Matthew Loraditch; Scott Voll; gr11 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware 

where does it say they do not support co-residency with other applications? 

not that I don't believe you, I just can't see this in the doc and need to refer to it. 

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From: "Ruben Montes (Europe)" < ruben.montes at dimensiondata.com > 
To: "Matthew Loraditch" < MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com >, "Scott Voll" < svoll.voip at gmail.com >, "gr11" < grccie at gmail.com > 
Cc: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net , "cisco-voip" < cisco-voip at puck.nether.net > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:58:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware 

Yes, but they do not support co-residency with other applications, which leads the customer to having to buy at least two additional IBM/HP servers… 

I agree with Scott, I’d like to see soon “true” 3 rd party hardware on VMWare support. 

… ah, and also a decent consolidation ratio would be nice, not just 1:1… 

From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [ mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net ] On Behalf Of Matthew Loraditch 
Sent: miércoles, 18 de enero de 2012 15:54 
To: Scott Voll; gr11 
Cc: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net ; cisco-voip 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware 

They support 3 rd Party VMWare as of a few months ago: 

http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Specification-Based_Hardware_Support 

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From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [ mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net ] On Behalf Of Scott Voll 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:51 AM 
To: gr11 
Cc: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net ; cisco-voip 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware 

my question is how long is cisco going to mandate the UCS stuff before they start supporting 3rd party hardware on VMWare.... we have a huge VM deployment of HP but I have to tell our server team we have to buy Cisco UCS products...... Doesn't make people very happy :-( 

Scott 

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM, gr11 < grccie at gmail.com > wrote: 

On C class you can use local as well as remote storage, it supports SAN boot installation. I have done a mixed one on C series - VMware installation on internal disks but CUCM is installed on the SAN disks. 

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM, < John.VanLaecke at ghd.com > wrote: 

C class internal storage, the b class external storage 

C class can support 4 UC apps per server 

From: 	

Lelio Fulgenzi < lelio at uoguelph.ca > 

To: 	

Matthew Saskin < msaskin at gmail.com > 

Cc: 	

" John.VanLaecke at ghd.com " < John.VanLaecke at ghd.com >, " cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net " < cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net >, cisco-voip < cisco-voip at puck.nether.net > 

Date: 	

18/01/2012 11:00 AM 

Subject: 	

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware 

Quick question re: UCS, do you have to use remote storage or can you use local storage? 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Jan 17, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Matthew Saskin < msaskin at gmail.com > wrote: 

Depends on your discount, whether you purchase bare-metal from Cisco or direct from HP/IBM, etc. You've also got to factor in VMware costs plus added operational complexity for UCS. That said, ongoing operational costs (eg; smartnet) are much lower for UCS than for bare-metal servers (and on-par with direct manufacturer support for HP/IBM hardware) 

That said, I'm a huge proponent of deploying on UCS, b or c-series as appropriate. Of the 20-30 designs I've put together for customers over the past 12-18 months (ranging from <500 phones to 10K+ phones and 1K+ UCCE agents) that actually became deployed projects, all but 1 are deployed on UCS with an exception for a customer that has a rigorous hardware qualification process and won't qualify UCS for use in their data centers. 

-matthew 

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:33 PM, < John.VanLaecke at ghd.com > wrote: 
The C Class UCS server is cheaper than the bare metal box. 

From: 	

Lelio Fulgenzi < lelio at uoguelph.ca > 

To: 	

Erick Wellnitz < ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com > 

Cc: 	

cisco-voip < cisco-voip at puck.nether.net > 

Date: 	

18/01/2012 07:16 AM 

Subject: 	

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware 

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cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net 

Ah - well, supported and sold are two different things I guess. 

The supported platforms will help if you have the platforms already, but not if you are looking to buy new. I do recall quite a few of them being EOL'ed, especially the H series, but you'd have to check the price list and your account team for availability. 

There is always the SWONLY option (which is much cheaper). As far as I know, they are MCS equivalents so they are supported. 

Lelio 

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From: "Erick Wellnitz" < ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com > 
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" < lelio at uoguelph.ca > 
Cc: "cisco-voip" < cisco-voip at puck.nether.net > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:08:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware 

I'm getting conflicting information from someone at Cisco is all. 
They told me they aren't selling MCS servers any longer. 

On 1/17/12, Lelio Fulgenzi < lelio at uoguelph.ca > wrote: 
> did it not provide the answers you were looking for? is it not up to date? 
> 
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> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 
> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU) 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil) 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Erick Wellnitz" < ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com > 
> To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" < lelio at uoguelph.ca > 
> Cc: "cisco-voip" < cisco-voip at puck.nether.net > 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:46:32 PM 
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware 
> 
> I've spent more time looking at that document than I care to think about. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/17/12, Lelio Fulgenzi < lelio at uoguelph.ca > wrote: 
>> Pretty sure they are. Here are some ref docs 
>> 
>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6790/ps5748/ps378/prod_brochure0900aecd8062a4f9.html 
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>> 
>> 
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>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 
>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU) 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
>> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil) 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Erick Wellnitz" < ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com > 
>> To: "cisco-voip" < cisco-voip at puck.nether.net > 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:30:38 PM 
>> Subject: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware 
>> 
>> Quick question as I think I've gone and confused myself. 
>> 
>> Are tehre still options wit hCM 8.6 for non-virtualized environments? 
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