[cisco-voip] Cisco ATA 187 and connection plar

Wed May 23 12:26:02 EDT 2012

Thanks for the update!

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On May 23, 2012, at 6:41 AM, Anthony Kouloglou <akoul at dataways.gr> wrote:

> Hi all,
> i have upgraded my ATA 187 to APP187.9-2-3-1, created a blank sip dial rule and applied it to the ATAs i wanted to have connection PLAR.
> It worked like a champ (i.e. an SCCP :-)
> 
> BR
> Anthony
> 
> On 12-May-11 17:14, Anthony Kouloglou wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ryan, 
>> i have already done that (account team). But i need to have an open TAC.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Anthony
>> 
>> On 12/5/2011 16:40, Ryan Ratliff wrote:
>>> 
>>> If the ATA doesn't support using CUCM SIP dial rules then there's not much you can do aside from looking for alternatives or push your account team on getting a feature request in.  It doesn't appear the ATA186 supported connection plar natively either, it just so happened that the sccp protocol allowed CUCM to handle it.  
>>> 
>>> -Ryan
>>> 
>>> On May 11, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Kevin Damisch wrote:
>>> 
>>> Even in the latest guide for 8.5(1), doesn’t look like there is any ATA 187 support for PLAR.  I’d be curious to try it on a 7942 running SIP, but don’t have one handy.  Once your TAC engineer sees this document, I can guarantee the first words out of their mouth will be “unsupported”.  J
>>>  
>>> Private Line Automatic Ringdown (PLAR)
>>> Configure a phone that is running SIP for Private Line Automatic Ringdown (PLAR), so when the user goes off hook (or the NewCall softkey or line key gets pressed), the phone immediately dials a preconfigured number. The phone user cannot dial any other number from the phone line that gets configured for PLAR. Because PLAR gets configured in Cisco Unified Communications Manager Administration as an empty pattern, it does not get associated with a device or line. To make the Cisco Unified IP Phone support PLAR, an empty pattern gets configured in the SIP Dial Rules for a specific line, and the dial rule then gets applied to the Cisco Unified IP Phone by using Phone Configuration in Cisco Unified Communications Manager Administration. For more information on PLAR, see "Configuring Private Line Automatic Ringdown (PLAR)" in "Directory Number Configuration" in the Cisco Unified Communications Manager Administration Guide.
>>> <image001.gif>
>>> Note <image003.png>Only Cisco Unified IP Phones 7940/41, 7960/61, and 7970/71 support PLAR for SIP.
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kevin
>>>  
>>> From: Anthony Kouloglou [mailto:akoul at dataways.gr] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:48 PM
>>> To: Kevin Damisch
>>> Cc: Matthew Ballard; cisco-voip at puck-nether.net
>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco ATA 187 and connection plar
>>>  
>>> Nope!
>>> And i am still trying to find out what to do.
>>> I will soon open a TAC and see what happens.
>>> 
>>> Anthony
>>> 
>>> On 12/5/2011 12:45 πμ, Kevin Damisch wrote:
>>> So, where did this end up?  Has anyone been able to setup the blank translation pattern method of PLAR for an ATA 187 using the SIP dial rules?
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kevin
>>>  
>>> From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Kouloglou
>>> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:23 AM
>>> To: Matthew Ballard
>>> Cc: cisco-voip at puck-nether.net
>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco ATA 187 and connection plar
>>>  
>>> Hi Thanks for the update, and Lelio too,
>>> but i do have 3 dozens of ATA 187 since cisco could not provide me 186 (they were end of sale).
>>> They told me that they are replacements for ATA 186.
>>> I could expect from them to do the appropriate clarification.
>>> I am really, really frustrated.
>>> 
>>> On 6/5/2011 02:50, Matthew Ballard wrote:
>>> The VG200 series (VG202, VG204, VG224) as well any Cisco routers with the appropriate voice ports can be setup to do what you want.  I have lines in a VG224 setup as SCCP lines in CM, with that very functionality in place, and it works just fine.
>>>  
>>> Matthew Ballard
>>> Network Manager
>>> Otis College of Art and Design
>>> mballard at otis.edu
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Kouloglou
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:09 AM
>>> To: Ryan Ratliff
>>> Cc: cisco-voip at puck-nether.net
>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco ATA 187 and connection plar
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>> it does not work with ATA187 :-(
>>> I don't know if there is a way to overcome the problem.
>>> I am really desperate.
>>> Why can't cisco create a sip dial rule that works with that?
>>> ATA 187 is from the same vendor that makes the Call Manager: CiSCO!!
>>> You may have tones of them in places that you want that feature (elevators, lobbys, bathrooms).
>>> It is really hard to believe...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/5/2011 18:02, Ryan Ratliff wrote:
>>> I don't know much at all about the ATA 187 but nothing in the Admin Guide leads me to believe it's a feature the ATA supports itself.
>>>  
>>> The data sheet did have the words "dial plan" on it but I have no idea what that specifically references.  I'd say you are in the realm of try it and see if it works or not.
>>>  
>>> If it doesn't work and is a feature you need then you need to get in touch with your account team to have them get a feature request in for the ATA.
>>>  
>>> -Ryan
>>>  
>>> On May 4, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Anthony Kouloglou wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Ryan,
>>> what do you mean "to be configured on the ATA itself" ?
>>> Is it possible to configure this way an ATA 187?
>>> 
>>> On 4/5/2011 17:46, Ryan Ratliff wrote:
>>> On a VG where you configure dial-peers you can configure 'connection plar' on the voice-port just as you would on any other router that is not controlled by CUCM.
>>>  
>>> The ATA is the tricky one.  It likely did not exist at the time that doc was written and so if it supports SIP dial rules from CUCM it'll work.  If it doesn't then any plar functionality would have to be configured on the ATA itself.
>>>  
>>> -Ryan
>>>  
>>> On May 4, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> According to that doc:
>>> 
>>> Note Only Cisco Unified IP Phones 7940/41, 7960/61, and 7970/71 support PLAR for SIP.
>>> 
>>> Guess that means if you need analog PLAR, you need VG224/202/204 running something else other than SIP?
>>> 
>>> Good to know.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
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>>> 
>>> From: "Ryan Ratliff" <rratliff at cisco.com>
>>> To: "Anthony Kouloglou" <akoul at dataways.gr>
>>> Cc: "cisco-voip at puck-nether.net" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 10:22:34 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco ATA 187 and connection plar
>>> 
>>> SIP phones don't signal offhook to CUCM in the same way SCCP phones do so there is no opportunity for CUCM to treat it as a call with no dialed number. 
>>>  
>>> For SIP you need to configure dial rules.
>>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/admin/7_1_2/ccmsys/a03adial.html#wpmkr1039674
>>>  
>>> -Ryan
>>>  
>>> On May 4, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Anthony Kouloglou wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi, i have followed cisco recommendations to simulate hot line support for CUCM 7.1.5.
>>> These recommendations are:
>>> created a blank translation pattern that has a partition that is included only in a css that a few devices have.
>>> This TP, has an Called Party Transform mask mask of a target DN.
>>> So, when, one of these phones go offhook, it matches this TP and dials the appropriate number.
>>> But this does not seem to work with ATA 187.
>>> Is does nothing when picking up the phone. 
>>> Does it has to do with SIP?
>>> Has anyone tried it before?
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