[cisco-voip] DNS Friendly Names and URL Paths

[Anthony Holloway]

So the cloud is a scary place, I see that.  I wouldn't want to expose
anyone to an extra risk.  You could just avoid the whole attack vector
thing by deploying a 100% on-prem solution though, no?  And if you cannot
trust your internal servers, then you're screwed either way.

Also, you cannot just throw out "attack vector" and "phishing" without
backing that up.  What sources can you cite that URL redirects are security
risks?  And not open redirect services either.  The services I am referring
to would not be open redirects
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_redirection#Security_issues>, rather
they are protected/private, because you have to configure your own DNS to
make it happen.  URL shortening services are in use in our daily lives and
they rely on the same exact techniques
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_shortening#Techniques> I'm talking about
here: HTTP 3XX Redirects.  So, I'm not saying I'm a security expert, but I
don't think it's fair to just say "It might get compromised, therefore it's
bad."  Otherwise, everything we do is bad, because everything is at risk.  Even
SSL itself <http://heartbleed.com/>.

The problem with the reverse proxy/L7 load balance might be seen at the
finesse level, as only a simple redirect is supported today, but otherwise,
I would love more intelligence in the routing decision versus static
redirects.

And yes, of course, you could simply not bother, but seriously, I have yet
to see an environment where bookmarks are pushed and documentation says
"Look at your bookmarks to login to finesse."  Instead, it has been a URL
given to the users via documentation.

Perhaps a landing page akin to Google's old iGoogle
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGoogle> could be used to ease the
distribution and launching of app URLs.  Some apps already have something
simliar.  Like when you go to the UCCX landing page there's a link for
AppAdmin and CUIC.  Too bad there's no link for Finesse.  And too bad it
looks like garbage.  And too bad there's not like a single landing page for
CUCM, CUC, UCCX, etc.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Norton, Mike <mikenorton at pwsd76.ab.ca>
wrote:

> I would be a bit wary of HTTP redirects being a convenient attack vector
> for phishing. Especially if they are happening over unencrypted HTTP and
> across the Internet. But even just behaviorally, I don’t think it is a good
> practice to get users comfortable seeing the “official” URIs be redirected
> to ugly technical-looking URIs. Makes it easier to trick them into using a
> fake page. If they’re used to always seeing a memorable simple and pretty
> URI, then they’re more likely to notice when something is amiss.
>
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>
> An alternative would be to rewrite URIs with a reverse proxy (or L7 load
> balancer). This would avoid the need for redirects and would keep the
> user’s browser pointed at a nice pretty URI. As a security bonus, you’d be
> able to firewall direct L3 access to the application service, and also your
> client machines wouldn’t need to be allowed to access weird ports.
>
>
>
> Another option is to just not bother with friendly names, push
> favourites/bookmarks into users’ browsers (e.g. via group policy, mdm) and
> train them to get to the applications that way.
>
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>
> -mn
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> *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] *On Behalf
> Of *Anthony Holloway
> *Sent:* October-20-16 1:07 PM
> *To:* Cisco VoIP Group <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> *Subject:* [cisco-voip] DNS Friendly Names and URL Paths
>
>
>
> Since the list is slow this week....
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> Ever since the push for DNS and FQDN over IP Address, I have been giving
> application servers a Subject Alternative Name (SAN) so that users
> accessing Self-Care Portal, Finesse, etc. do not have to be bothered with
> server names.
>
>
>
> E.g.,
>
> Instead of this:
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> https://mspvmcucm001.company.com/ucmuser
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> They would be able to use this:
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> https://myphone.company.com/ucmuser
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>
> That works pretty well, and Tomcat certs are easily signed to support the
> extra alias.
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>
>
> However, when it comes to UCCX, it's a little more complicated with the
> following example:
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> https://finesse.company.com:8445/desktop
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> Because the alias is not exactly fitting for all things on UCCX, such as:
>
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> https://finesse.company.com:8444/cuic
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> That's confusing, and also because the user still has to remember the port
> and path on the end.
>
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> https://finesse.company.com will not automatically take you to
> https://finesse.company.com:8445/desktop
>
>
>
> Today I had a co-worker ask me how it might be possible to have both:
>
>
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> A) A different alias for each sub-component of the application server
> (E.g., Finesse vs CUIC)
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> B) Have the port and path appended automatically
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> I decided that a shim would be appropriate here.  We would take the
> various aliases, send them to a web server, which would then initiate an
> HTTP Header Location redirect to the appropriate port and path.
>
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> A PHP example could be:
>
>
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> URL: https://agent.company.com/
>
> PHP: <?php header('Location: https://mspvmuccx001.company.
> com:8445/desktop''); exit; ?>
>
>
>
> This uses the HTTP Location <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_location>
> header, which sends an HTTP 3XX response code to the client and let's them
> know where to go to get the "right" page.  Unfortunately, that does mean
> that the address changes in your browser from the first URL to the second
> URL.  This isn't terrible, but it does mean that you'll still want a
> friendly looking CNAME record for your host still, as I described above.
>
>
>
> But, this would require me to install a web server in each environment and
> configure it, or ask for shared web server space.  A better solution?  The
> cloud!
>
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>
> I stumbled across a public service that does just this.  The cloud service
> I found is:
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> https://www.easyredir.com/
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> They have both paid and a free plans:
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> https://www.easyredir.com/free-url-redirection
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> I was able to set this up in about 10 minutes and it works exactly like I
> have explained above.  I have no affiliation to them, and I'm sure there's
> other services out there.
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>
> Icing on the cake I suppose, I was even able to take a public domain
> record (E.g., company.com) and redirect it to a private domain record
> (E.g., company.local), proving that your application servers need not be
> accessible from the internet.
>
>
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> In fact, your target url doesn't even have to be a public domain either.
>
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> E.g.,
>
> https://agent.company.local can point to https://mspvmuccx001.company.
> local:8445/desktop
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>
>
> The only requirement is that your client PC can resolve the private record
> (.local) to the public service host (on easyredir.com), and that the
> returned redirect location (.local again) is also accessible to your client
> PC.
>
>
>
> Has anyone come across something like this before?  How are you solving
> all the different ports and paths now under your administrative domain?
>
>
>
> This does not replace your need for a smart load-balancer in the case of a
> server failure, though Finesse should at least redirect you to the Master
> node, should your DNS record point to the Slave.
>
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