Heathkit, eBay, and Auctions in General

[Chris Trask]

Gang,
        Okay, I've sat here and read all of this dribble about some
people being upset with Heathkit offerings on eBay being posted to
the group.  I'm going to say the same thing here as I have on the
forsale newsgroups.

        I myself really do not have the time to go through eBay and
other sites to look for equipment, books, manuals, and parts that I
need or would like to have around.  I can tell you of a number of times
where I have become aware of a needed item by way of someone else making
mention of something they saw someplace.

        Making it know to the group that a Heathkit item is available
on eBay is, in my view, no different than having the exact same item
offered for sale right here alone.  And there is absolutley nothing
illegal in doing so.

        If you don't like what someone has posted in terms of an item
available on eBay or the newsgroups, just hit the "delete" key.  Those
of you who wish to diminish the enjoyment of our hobby by creating a
conflict where none needs to be created are welcome to take your attitude
elsewhere.

Chris

On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, canfield wrote:

> Unless your a Judge or Lawyer, you need to be careful with the scare tactic
> of calling something illegal! Your leaving yourself open to possible
> trouble.
>
> If illegal....then I recommend reading ebay's "sellers" tips.
>
> Advertising an auction is illegal? Then there is a whole lot of illegal
> activity in Newspapers, TV, internet, the web and radio!
>
> I thought this list dealt with Heathkit...period! All this illegal and self
> righteous talk needs to be taken to Lawyer.com !
>
> signed,
> The supposed guilty party
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harvey A. Kader <optom at attglobal.net>
> To: <HEATH at LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV>
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 7:28 AM
> Subject: Trolling For Auctions
>
>
> > A few points have to be made about what an AUCTION actually is. Once it
> > is understood what an auction is, then the concept of ADVERTISING for
> > that auction will become clear. This relates to this Heathkit list, and
> > its MISUSE and ABUSE.
> >
> > The definition of auction is "the act or process of bidding". The
> > definition of bidding is "a statement of what one will give or take for
> > something - an offer of a price".
> >
> > An auction is NOT a department store. I think many people confuse the
> > two. You can NOT give an item back after an auction. All sales are
> > FINAL. Similarly, you can NOT advertise an auction LIKE a department
> > store. You can NOT INFLUENCE the auction in any shape or form. You can
> > NOT RIG the auction. All ILLEGAL activity.
> >
> > The presence of an auction CAN be advertised by the company running the
> > auction(auction house), or by an individual running the auction for ALL
> > the sellers. It is ILLEGAL for each individual seller in an auction to
> > ADVERTISE his own item up for auction, and to PROMPT people in
> > advertising with statements such as "three days to go", "one hour to
> > go", or one minute to go". This is considered as UNDUE INFLUENCE in the
> > bidding process, and is considered RIGGING the auction. Plainly ILLEGAL.
> >
> > An auction is a PROCESS, in the same way that voting in an election is a
> > process. Once an auction is underway, then it CAN NOT be INFLUENCED.
> > Using an election as an anology, candidates CAN advertise their
> > positions PRIOR to the start of the vote. Once voting begins in an
> > election, then it is ILLEGAL for candidates to go door to door saying
> > "three hours to go", "two hours to go", or to advertise this fact while
> > the voting is underway. This would be considered RIGGING the election,
> > and UNDUE INFLUENCE.
> >
> > Similarly, it is ILLEGAL for an individual selling an item in an auction
> > to go from house to house, or in this Heathkit list case, from list to
> > list telling people about his/her item up for auction, and telling how
> > much time remains. Again, this is RIGGING the auction. Let's keep this
> > Heathkit list LEGAL. End of story.
> >
> > Harvey.
> >
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