More on "Warning: new twist for MSN, Hotmail, and Passport users" - New Privacy Statement

[Chris Kepus]

Hi All,
About a week ago a message appeared on this board regarding a concern over
the privacy and use of material on the MSN, Hotmail, and Passport sites.
 Since I use these sites, I kinda got torqued up about it and decided I
would discontinue use of MSN sites if it were true.  So I checked the
privacy statements and Terms of Use on all of them.  Came up empty handed
so I sent the following messages to Microsoft and the message below is
their most recent and definitive response.  Thought some of you might be
interested.
73,

Chris Kepus
W7JPG

Eat well.  Laugh Often.

-----Original Message-----
From:   passpriv at microsoft.com [SMTP:passpriv at microsoft.com]
Sent:   Monday, April 09, 2001 6:18 PM
To:     ckepus at calweb.com
Subject:        RE: CST29719428ID - New Privacy Statement

Thank you for your message to Passport Privacy.
The Passport Terms of Use have recently been updated, and no longer include
the text you have quoted. The current Terms of Use now covers the Passport
sites and services, to the extent detailed in the document.
Your messages sent via Hotmail are also governed by the MSN & Hotmail
Privacy Statements, and you may choose to review them to ensure you are
aware of their conditions and provisions.
Passport Terms of Use:
http://www.passport.com/Consumer/TermsOfUse.asp?PPlcid=1033
MSN Privacy Statement: http://www.msn.com/help/legal/privacy.htm
Hotmail Privacy Statement:
http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/dasp/hminfo_shell.asp?content=pstate&
_lang=EN&id=2&ct=986865203&rru=%2fcgi%2dbin%2fHoTMaiL
Sincerely,
Passport Privacy



--- Original Message ---
From:   ckepus at calweb.com
To:     passpriv at microsoft.com
Sent:   Mon Apr 9 00:24:20 PDT 2001
Subject:        RE: CST29719428ID - New Privacy Statement
        Thank you for your response.  However, you did not answer my question.
 Please reread my message below and provide an answer.  A simple yes or no
answer will suffice.  I reread the privacy policy to which you referred me
and I found nothing regarding the licensing issue raised in my message to
you.  Am I missing it or does it simply not exist?
        Thank you,
        Chris Kepus
        W7JPG
        Eat well.  Laugh Often.
        -----Original Message-----
From:   passpriv at microsoft.com [SMTP:passpriv at microsoft.com]
Sent:   Sunday, April 08, 2001 7:58 PM
To:     ckepus at calweb.com
Subject:        RE: CST29719428ID - New Privacy Statement
Thank you for your message to Microsoft Passport.
We have recently updated the Passport Terms of Use to reflect the concepts
already contained in the TRUSTe approved privacy statement which can be
found at www.passport.com.  The Passport Privacy Statement and Passport
Terms of Use reflect Microsoft's commitment to the protection of our user's
personal information.
Passport apologizes for any confusion or inconvenience this may have caused
you.
Sincerely,
Passport Customer Support

--- Original Message ---
From:   ckepus at calweb.com
To:     passpriv at microsoft.com
Sent:   Sat Apr 7 16:34:17 PDT 2001
Subject:        New Privacy Statement
The following message appeared on one of the lists to which I subscribe.
 Before I lost any sleep over this, I thought I would check out the site
for myself.  I cannot find any reference to the "LICENSE TO MICROSOFT"
discussed in this message.
Would you please advise if this is put on or can I access it somewhere on
the site?  If it is on the site, where?
The following is a direct cut and paste of the entire text of the message I
received:
"Subject: Warning: new twist for MSN, Hotmail, and Passport users Hello
Green people Below is a piece of the use of terms agreement for Microsoft's
Passport Website seen Midnight April 1 . As I understand this Hotmail is a
part of this. For those of you who use e-mail and Microsoft services this
should be taken as a warning for your property rights.
"Grant them permission..."This is insane !
Hotmail MSN mail will be added to my flag file then kill file soon.
LICENSE TO MICROSOFT
By posting messages, uploading files, inputting data, submitting any
feedback or suggestions, or engaging in any other form of communication
with or through the Passport Web Site, you warrant and represent that you
own or otherwise control the rights necessary to do so and you are granting
Microsoft and its affiliated companies permission to:
1.      Use, modify, copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly
perform, reproduce, publish, sublicense, create derivative works from,
transfer, or sell any such communication.
2.      Sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any of
the foregoing rights granted with respect to the communication.
3.      Publish your name in connection with any such communication.
The foregoing grants shall include the right to exploit any proprietary
rights in such communication, including but not limited to rights under
copyright, trademark, service mark or patent laws under any relevant
jurisdiction. No compensation will be paid with respect to Microsoft's use
of the materials contained within such communication. Microsoft is under no
obligation to post or use any materials you may provide and may remove such
materials at any time in Microsoft's sole discretion."
Please advise if this text or any portion of it exists on any of your
Microsoft sites.
Thank you,
Chris Kepus
W7JPG
Eat well.  Laugh Often.

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