[j-nsp] mpls managemnet/provisioning software
Pete Crocker
pete at petecrocker.com
Fri Jun 30 10:46:36 EDT 2006
Packet Design offers an appliance that monitors the routing protocols: OSPF,
IS-IS, BGP, and MP-BGP for MPLS. Keeps track of things like PE participation
and prefix announcements in RTs historically, and alerting. Very useful in
monitoring/troubleshooting L3 VPN MPLS networks. Also helpful when LSP
problems are caused by underlying routing problems. FYI, this box is also
OEM'd by HP under the product name RAMS.
It can't help with provisioning though. HP has some tools for MPLS
provisioning and monitoring. They even have a Juniper solutions page:
http://h20229.www2.hp.com/partner/isv/Juniper_prod1.jsp
I don't have experience with those HP tools though.
> From: Adnan <ahabib at asacogroup.com>
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:17:06 +0300
> To: 'Daniel Martin' <dmartin6 at us.ibm.com>
> Cc: <juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net>
> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] mpls managemnet/provisioning software
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> Well my problem is that my client there vpn tunnels drop after 3 or 4 min
> I know I can monitor from juniper appliance but I am looking for some
> software so it can show me end to end connectivity detail !! else I can
> sniffer the packet to see detail inside !!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Martin [mailto:dmartin6 at us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:05 PM
> To: Adnan
> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] mpls managemnet/provisioning software
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> adnan,
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> there are a whole bunch of parts to this problem.
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> first, you need to know if the ce to pe connection is up. juniper has a
> ping mib and there is also rpm, so without having to create a management
> vpn and expose your customers to one another's ability to compromise your
> management server, you can at least verify reachability.
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> now, you need to know that the LSPs are up. this seems like a problem
> but you don't monitor ip flows and the difference between regular ip and
> mpls is that instead of forwarding based on an ip address you are
> forwarding based on a label, which, by the way, is 32 bits long, just like
> an ip address. the nagging doubt with mpls is that your vpns require 3 or
> 4 link state protocols to be up and running and happy in order for a packet
> to go from one vrf to another, at least a few more than regular ip. if
> you really want to scare yourself you can read the ietf draft that mentions
> LSP blackholes and cautions that a label mismerge in combination with
> overlapping address space may result in your ping being responded to by
> some other device with that ip address, not necessarily the one you
> intended.
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> if you picked non TE LSPS, when a non TE LSP goes down or reroutes it
> will never tell you. so you can go back to the ping mib / rpm stuff and
> set up pings from vrf to vrf, if the ping gets through, you should be ok
> (see above), if it doesn't, you know that something in between the to vrf
> instances is broken.
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> if you have any questions or disagree with anything let me know, i hope
> this helped.
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> "Adnan "
> <ahabib at asacogrou
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> Sent by: "'Matias Lambert \(Osinet\)'"
> juniper-nsp-bounc <matiaslambert at osinet.com.ar>,
> es at puck.nether.ne "'Erdem Sener'" <erdems at gmail.com>
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> 06/30/2006 08:44 Re: [j-nsp] mpls
> AM managemnet/provisioning software
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> Does some one know some good software to monitor VPN TUNNELS connectivity
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matias Lambert (Osinet) [mailto:matiaslambert at osinet.com.ar]
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:53 AM
> To: Erdem Sener
> Cc: juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] mpls managemnet/provisioning software
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> Hi,
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> Osinet (The company that I work for) make end-to-end provisioning
> solutions with Juniper M and T series for a lot of environments like
> MPLS/VPN, RSVP Managment and GPRS/APNs with J20 (Juniper-Ericsson GGSN
> Solution).
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> If you are interested, send me an email and I will send you a sales
> account manager.
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> For a managment based solutions, I think that you should try netcool.
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> Regards,
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> Matias Lambert
> *Osinet Telecomunicaciones*
> Argentina
> http://www.osinet.com.ar <http://www.osinet.com.ar/>
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> Erdem Sener wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> Of course Dorado's not the only player but it's afaik the most
>> preferred one due to several reasons, mainly being very close with
>> Juniper folks.
>>
>> Sheer was a close competitor for Dorado, though it seem to have lost
>> its popularity after being bought by Cisco.
>>
>> Other common monitoring software like HP or CA don't fully support
>> management, only monitoring.
>>
>> In my opinion, it depends on what you expect from the software you're
>> looking for. If your goal is only to make easy for network folks to do
>> the configuration on many routers, JunOScript might do the trick. In
>> case you're looking for a single point of management/monitoring etc,
>> Dorado seems the best solution available.
>>
>> HTH
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>> On 6/29/06, snort bsd <snortbsd at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
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>>> Thanks. But is "Dorado" the only game in town? Any
>>> other vendors?
>>>
>>> --- Ezequiel Carson <ezequiel at ifxnw.com.ar> wrote:
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>>>> yes.
>>>> Try ElDorado software
>>>>
>>>> ezeq.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 2:02 PM, snort bsd wrote:
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>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does Juniper have mpls management/provisionin
>>>>>
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>>>> software
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>>>>> similar to Cisco IP Solution Center?
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