[j-nsp] R: Juniper M-series vs 72xx/NPE-G2

[Scott Weeks]

: Today I received an e-mail from this company: 
: Northern California Networks, Inc., (NCN) A licensed reseller of 
: new and used Juniper and Cisco gear and a long standing member of 
: United Network Equipment Dealers Association (UNEDA). A global 
: membership of authorized dealers and licensed resellers.


I would say that if a sales droid comes to you based on responses to this list, or randomly shows up after a posting here, you should NEVER buy from them.  It will turn this list into a sludge pot of sales critters hounding us incessantly and we'll be unable to ask questions like the original poster did.  The only thing they understand is **immediate financial consequence**.  Saying "please don't bother me" doesn't stop them.

scott




--- massimiliano.xmg.galizia at ericsson.com wrote:

From: "Massimiliano Galizia XMG \(RM/TEI\)"	<massimiliano.xmg.galizia at ericsson.com>
To: "TCIS List Acct" <listacct at tulsaconnect.com>,        <juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net>
Subject: [j-nsp] R:  Juniper M-series vs 72xx/NPE-G2
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:19:20 +0200

Today I received an e-mail from this company: 
Northern California Networks, Inc., (NCN) A licensed reseller of new and used Juniper and Cisco gear and a long standing member of United Network Equipment Dealers Association (UNEDA). A global membership of authorized dealers and licensed resellers.
Hope this helps.

Ciao

MASSIMILIANO GALIZIA


-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] Per conto di TCIS List Acct
Inviato: martedì 22 maggio 2007 15.55
A: juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net
Oggetto: [j-nsp] Juniper M-series vs 72xx/NPE-G2

Hi all,

We're operate two Data Centers offering typical Co-lo, Managed Hosting, and some
business connectivity services.  We are looking to upgrade our edge routing
platform from Cisco 72xx/NPE400 routers to something with a little more growth
potential.  Right now, we are taking 3 x DS-3's for transit (no full routes at
the moment) and have an OC-3 on order, as well as the possibility for a Gig-E
handoff (175M commit) from a provider in the next 12 months.

In any case, we are looking at our options in the Juniper world (vs a new 
72xx/NPE-G2).  New Juniper gear is outside of the budget, so we are looking for 
used M-series routers.  I know the Juniper used market isn't as  robust as 
Cisco, but I wanted to get the advise of others on the list.

I had a few basic questions:

- M5, M10, M20, or M7i - what is my best bet for the traffic levels mentioned
above?  We need the basics - BGP, OSPF, GRE tunnel capability, and some basic
ACLs.  Nothing fancy like MPLS, etc.
- What is the difference between the non-"i" series vs the newer "i"-series?
e.g. M10 vs M10i.  How about the "Enhanced" vs non-Enhanced chassis?
- What M-series router should I be looking for on the used market?
Specifically, what one should have the greatest availability.
- What routing engine should I be looking for?  I see a lot of RE-333's out
there, but don't see a "performance chart" anywhere on Juniper's site
- Does anyone have advise regarding Juniper's recertification process on used
gear?  We would need at least basic support/JUNOS upgrades on whatever we buy
- Does anyone have a suggestion on who to source the used gear from?

TIA.

--Mike
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