[j-nsp] Router selection, Juniper intro

[Charles Sprickman]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Ben Steele wrote:

> For 15k get yourself an NPE-G2, it's not worth moving platforms and your
> already invested 7200 modules for that money and you won't get as good a
> bang for buck buying a new juniper as opposed to if you just upgrade the
> NPE, the G2 will give you more than enough performance and includes 3 Gb
> ports on board and on top of that already has a well established feature set
> that includes MPLS/MQC(Adv QoS) and others you've mentioned and you're
> probably well aware of the history of this device used as a ppp termination
> device in the broadband market.

I am leaning heavily towards used Juniper...  I might also add that I 
absolutely hate QoS stuff in IOS.  Most of it I simply cannot wrap my head 
around and then if I can I more often than not find that it's not 
supported on whatever interface I'm needing it on.

I should also note that we do not do PPPoE.  The closest we come to that 
is Multilink over ATM for bonding T1 or DSL circuits, so in general, we 
don't really work like your normal DSL ISP.

Thanks for the input though, the NPE-Gx option is still on the table.

Our config is very, very simple, partly due to the fact that our current 
router is so underpowered that I can't turn on any fancy stuff.  All I 
need is very simple BGP to two peers, VLANs and the DSL aggregation.  Once 
that's transitioned, anything more advanced is just a bonus and something 
that I'd be learning from scratch anyhow...

Thanks,

Charles

> Worth noting I have nothing against Juniper, they have great stuff, but for
> 15k I think your better off with the NPE upgrade.
>
> Then with the money you get selling your old NPE-300 go buy yourself
> something nice :)
>
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Charles Sprickman
> Sent: Thursday, 11 December 2008 1:49 PM
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> Subject: [j-nsp] Router selection, Juniper intro
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've been digging around the Juniper site as well as some of the archives
> for this list, but I'm looking for some more input.  We're a smallish ISP
> and we are currently pushing a ton of stuff through a dated Cisco 7206-VXR
> with an NPE-300.  It can handle "normal" traffic, but that's about it.  On
> average CPU/interrupts are around 65%.
>
> Currently I need to terminate two upstream 100Mb/s transit connections,
> another 100Mb/s connection to ConEd's metro ethernet cloud, 100Mb/s for
> our servers and an OC-3 into Covad for ADSL/SDSL/T1.  Very soon those
> transit links will need to be upped to GigE as we're peaking at around
> 95Mb/s during the day.  Yes, it is amazing that all that crap works on the
> old thing we've got.
>
> So I think basically anything in the Juniper M-series is going to be more
> than adequate for our needs.  Going forward, I think just about anything
> we'll add to the mix will be delivered via ethernet (we're in a telco
> hotel) - even Covad is starting to migrate away from ATM and will be able
> to deliver our backhaul over ethernet.  The lowest-end M stuff has more
> than enough horsepower for our purposes, and even if I run out of GigE
> ports I can just shuffle stuff off to a switch and VLAN stuff.
>
> Things that I need to look at for the future include implementing MPLS
> (for covad and ConEd), getting better QoS stuff setup for our DSL
> customers, better QoS for metro ether people, and of course any value-add
> "services" we can provide to customers through the router.
>
> Lastly, I have a max of around $15K to spend, which I'm aware is not much.
> My Cisco option would be an NPE-G1.
>
> My questions after seeing what I've seen here are:
>
> -What's the story with the EOL M5?  How long will software and spares be
> available?  Any reason to avoid it altogether?
> -What are the known problematic pieces of hardware in the older products?
> -What is the pricing model for software support?  Can anyone give me some
> example pricing for an M7i or an M5?
> -What gotchas are involved in the used market?  Does Juniper actively seek
> to "punish" users of used gear as Cisco has in the past (no license
> transfers, no hardware support with recertification, etc.)?
> -Who are some good resellers, both new and used?
> -Does Juniper have the equivalent of Cisco's "RBE" for DSL aggregation
> (see example below)?  I couldn't track it down or translate it via Juniper's
> published manuals.
> -Is the CLI and config management as good as their little flash demo of
> the CLI implies?  Oddly enough, that tool pushed me towards Juniper.
> -I've given up on the Cisco TAC website, it's a total mess these days and
> I can't be bothered to keep up with how things are organized.  Is
> Juniper's support site a better resource?
>
> I figure if you folks are talking about stickers, this can't be too far
> OT.  :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles
>
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