[j-nsp] Juniper MX104

[Ben Dale]

That and I think a lot of the BRAS "migration" functionality (LNS/LAC etc) was late to the party after being told it wasn't going to happen for anything lower than the 240.

On 13 Nov 2013, at 12:51 pm, Bill Blackford <bblackford at gmail.com> wrote:

> My personal feeling is the MX80 wasn't widely adopted as a lower density
> subscriber box given the lack of redundant REs. The MX104 may find it's
> niche as a BRAS.
> 
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> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Eric Van Tol <eric at atlantech.net> wrote:
> 
>> One thing to keep in mind about these boxes is that, like the
>> MX5/10/40/80, the built-in 10G ports do not do hierarchical QoS (per-unit
>> scheduling).  I'm confused as to why this is, considering they are
>> Trio-based routers, but I digress.  I personally don't think that the
>> astronomical cost to enable the 10G ports on all the low-end MX routers is
>> worth it, considering they can't even do per-unit scheduling.
>> 
>> -evt
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
>> Behalf Of
>>> joel jaeggli
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:00 PM
>>> To: Saku Ytti
>>> Cc: juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net
>>> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX104
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Saku Ytti <saku at ytti.fi> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On (2013-11-12 20:14 +0000), Tom Storey wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Why so much just to enable some ports? How do they come up with that
>>>>> kind of price? Pluck it out of thin air?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The hardware has been paid for, and I know thats only list pricing,
>>>>> but it still seems ridiculous.
>>>> 
>>>> The question might have been rhetoric. But I'll bite.
>>>> 
>>>> The BOM on these boxes is nothing, I'm guessing less than 1kUSD. But
>> the
>>>> volume you can sell them also is very very small, so the margins need
>> to
>>> be
>>>> very high to be able to design and support them.
>>>> Licensing allows you to sell to larger group of people, people who
>>> normally
>>>> would buy smaller/inferior box, now can afford it,  which in turn
>> allows
>>> you
>>>> to reduce your margins, making you more competitive.
>>>> 
>>>> I actually like it. I wish vendors like Agilent/Ixia, Spirent would
>> sell
>>>> test-kit with some sort of 'per hours used' license. Lot of SPs have
>> need
>>> for
>>>> proper testing kit, but only will need them very irregularly. And
>> renting
>>> is
>>>> always such a chore. It's same thing there, BOM is nothing, but volume
>> is
>>> even
>>>> lower, so prices are ridiculously high, consequently proper testing is
>>> very
>>>> rarely done by other than telco size SPs.
>>> 
>>> It's one of those things where you work with account team. if the
>> commercial
>>> terms don't work out for most potential buyers, then the product won't be
>>> successful and either things will change or they won't.
>>> 
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