[j-nsp] Juniper MX104

[Bill Blackford]

My personal feeling is the MX80 wasn't widely adopted as a lower density
subscriber box given the lack of redundant REs. The MX104 may find it's
niche as a BRAS.




On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Eric Van Tol <eric at atlantech.net> wrote:

> One thing to keep in mind about these boxes is that, like the
> MX5/10/40/80, the built-in 10G ports do not do hierarchical QoS (per-unit
> scheduling).  I'm confused as to why this is, considering they are
> Trio-based routers, but I digress.  I personally don't think that the
> astronomical cost to enable the 10G ports on all the low-end MX routers is
> worth it, considering they can't even do per-unit scheduling.
>
> -evt
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
> Behalf Of
> > joel jaeggli
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:00 PM
> > To: Saku Ytti
> > Cc: juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net
> > Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX104
> >
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Saku Ytti <saku at ytti.fi> wrote:
> >
> > > On (2013-11-12 20:14 +0000), Tom Storey wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why so much just to enable some ports? How do they come up with that
> > >> kind of price? Pluck it out of thin air?
> > >>
> > >> The hardware has been paid for, and I know thats only list pricing,
> > >> but it still seems ridiculous.
> > >
> > > The question might have been rhetoric. But I'll bite.
> > >
> > > The BOM on these boxes is nothing, I'm guessing less than 1kUSD. But
> the
> > > volume you can sell them also is very very small, so the margins need
> to
> > be
> > > very high to be able to design and support them.
> > > Licensing allows you to sell to larger group of people, people who
> > normally
> > > would buy smaller/inferior box, now can afford it,  which in turn
> allows
> > you
> > > to reduce your margins, making you more competitive.
> > >
> > > I actually like it. I wish vendors like Agilent/Ixia, Spirent would
> sell
> > > test-kit with some sort of 'per hours used' license. Lot of SPs have
> need
> > for
> > > proper testing kit, but only will need them very irregularly. And
> renting
> > is
> > > always such a chore. It's same thing there, BOM is nothing, but volume
> is
> > even
> > > lower, so prices are ridiculously high, consequently proper testing is
> > very
> > > rarely done by other than telco size SPs.
> >
> > It's one of those things where you work with account team. if the
> commercial
> > terms don't work out for most potential buyers, then the product won't be
> > successful and either things will change or they won't.
> >
> > > --
> > >  ++ytti
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