[j-nsp] Juniper MX104

[Ben Dale]

MS-MIC is out for the MX5-80:

http://www.juniper.net/us/en/local/pdf/datasheets/1000454-en.pdf

doesn't look like there isn't a services port on the back of the 104 though:

http://www.juniper.net/shared/img/products/mx-series/mx104/mx104-rear-high.jpg

maybe you can use one of the front slots?

On 13 Nov 2013, at 2:52 pm, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+junipernsp at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know how many users the MX104 will be able to handle though?
> 
> The 4000 user limit on the MX80 was quite low.
> 
> Does the MX104 have the services port on the back like the MX80?  I'm waiting for the CGN Services card which was supposed to be released around now.
> 
> 
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> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Ben Dale <bdale at comlinx.com.au> wrote:
> That and I think a lot of the BRAS "migration" functionality (LNS/LAC etc) was late to the party after being told it wasn't going to happen for anything lower than the 240.
> 
> On 13 Nov 2013, at 12:51 pm, Bill Blackford <bblackford at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > My personal feeling is the MX80 wasn't widely adopted as a lower density
> > subscriber box given the lack of redundant REs. The MX104 may find it's
> > niche as a BRAS.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Eric Van Tol <eric at atlantech.net> wrote:
> >
> >> One thing to keep in mind about these boxes is that, like the
> >> MX5/10/40/80, the built-in 10G ports do not do hierarchical QoS (per-unit
> >> scheduling).  I'm confused as to why this is, considering they are
> >> Trio-based routers, but I digress.  I personally don't think that the
> >> astronomical cost to enable the 10G ports on all the low-end MX routers is
> >> worth it, considering they can't even do per-unit scheduling.
> >>
> >> -evt
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
> >> Behalf Of
> >>> joel jaeggli
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:00 PM
> >>> To: Saku Ytti
> >>> Cc: juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX104
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Saku Ytti <saku at ytti.fi> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On (2013-11-12 20:14 +0000), Tom Storey wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Why so much just to enable some ports? How do they come up with that
> >>>>> kind of price? Pluck it out of thin air?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The hardware has been paid for, and I know thats only list pricing,
> >>>>> but it still seems ridiculous.
> >>>>
> >>>> The question might have been rhetoric. But I'll bite.
> >>>>
> >>>> The BOM on these boxes is nothing, I'm guessing less than 1kUSD. But
> >> the
> >>>> volume you can sell them also is very very small, so the margins need
> >> to
> >>> be
> >>>> very high to be able to design and support them.
> >>>> Licensing allows you to sell to larger group of people, people who
> >>> normally
> >>>> would buy smaller/inferior box, now can afford it,  which in turn
> >> allows
> >>> you
> >>>> to reduce your margins, making you more competitive.
> >>>>
> >>>> I actually like it. I wish vendors like Agilent/Ixia, Spirent would
> >> sell
> >>>> test-kit with some sort of 'per hours used' license. Lot of SPs have
> >> need
> >>> for
> >>>> proper testing kit, but only will need them very irregularly. And
> >> renting
> >>> is
> >>>> always such a chore. It's same thing there, BOM is nothing, but volume
> >> is
> >>> even
> >>>> lower, so prices are ridiculously high, consequently proper testing is
> >>> very
> >>>> rarely done by other than telco size SPs.
> >>>
> >>> It's one of those things where you work with account team. if the
> >> commercial
> >>> terms don't work out for most potential buyers, then the product won't be
> >>> successful and either things will change or they won't.
> >>>
> >>>> --
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