[j-nsp] Juniper MX104

[Luca Salvatore]

Anyone have have a ball park figure of what the MS-MIC will cost?


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Ben Dale <bdale at comlinx.com.au> wrote:

> MS-MIC is out for the MX5-80:
>
> http://www.juniper.net/us/en/local/pdf/datasheets/1000454-en.pdf
>
> doesn't look like there isn't a services port on the back of the 104
> though:
>
>
> http://www.juniper.net/shared/img/products/mx-series/mx104/mx104-rear-high.jpg
>
> maybe you can use one of the front slots?
>
> On 13 Nov 2013, at 2:52 pm, Skeeve Stevens <
> skeeve+junipernsp at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know how many users the MX104 will be able to handle though?
> >
> > The 4000 user limit on the MX80 was quite low.
> >
> > Does the MX104 have the services port on the back like the MX80?  I'm
> waiting for the CGN Services card which was supposed to be released around
> now.
> >
> >
> > ...Skeeve
> >
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> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Ben Dale <bdale at comlinx.com.au> wrote:
> > That and I think a lot of the BRAS "migration" functionality (LNS/LAC
> etc) was late to the party after being told it wasn't going to happen for
> anything lower than the 240.
> >
> > On 13 Nov 2013, at 12:51 pm, Bill Blackford <bblackford at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > My personal feeling is the MX80 wasn't widely adopted as a lower
> density
> > > subscriber box given the lack of redundant REs. The MX104 may find it's
> > > niche as a BRAS.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Eric Van Tol <eric at atlantech.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> One thing to keep in mind about these boxes is that, like the
> > >> MX5/10/40/80, the built-in 10G ports do not do hierarchical QoS
> (per-unit
> > >> scheduling).  I'm confused as to why this is, considering they are
> > >> Trio-based routers, but I digress.  I personally don't think that the
> > >> astronomical cost to enable the 10G ports on all the low-end MX
> routers is
> > >> worth it, considering they can't even do per-unit scheduling.
> > >>
> > >> -evt
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
> > >> Behalf Of
> > >>> joel jaeggli
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:00 PM
> > >>> To: Saku Ytti
> > >>> Cc: juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net
> > >>> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX104
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Saku Ytti <saku at ytti.fi> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On (2013-11-12 20:14 +0000), Tom Storey wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Why so much just to enable some ports? How do they come up with
> that
> > >>>>> kind of price? Pluck it out of thin air?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The hardware has been paid for, and I know thats only list pricing,
> > >>>>> but it still seems ridiculous.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The question might have been rhetoric. But I'll bite.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The BOM on these boxes is nothing, I'm guessing less than 1kUSD. But
> > >> the
> > >>>> volume you can sell them also is very very small, so the margins
> need
> > >> to
> > >>> be
> > >>>> very high to be able to design and support them.
> > >>>> Licensing allows you to sell to larger group of people, people who
> > >>> normally
> > >>>> would buy smaller/inferior box, now can afford it,  which in turn
> > >> allows
> > >>> you
> > >>>> to reduce your margins, making you more competitive.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I actually like it. I wish vendors like Agilent/Ixia, Spirent would
> > >> sell
> > >>>> test-kit with some sort of 'per hours used' license. Lot of SPs have
> > >> need
> > >>> for
> > >>>> proper testing kit, but only will need them very irregularly. And
> > >> renting
> > >>> is
> > >>>> always such a chore. It's same thing there, BOM is nothing, but
> volume
> > >> is
> > >>> even
> > >>>> lower, so prices are ridiculously high, consequently proper testing
> is
> > >>> very
> > >>>> rarely done by other than telco size SPs.
> > >>>
> > >>> It's one of those things where you work with account team. if the
> > >> commercial
> > >>> terms don't work out for most potential buyers, then the product
> won't be
> > >>> successful and either things will change or they won't.
> > >>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> ++ytti
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