[j-nsp] Juniper MX104

[Skeeve Stevens]

RRP, AU$

MS-MIC-16G      MULTI SERVICE -MIC WITH 16G FOR MX      $12,903.23
MS-MPC-128G     MULTI SERVICE - MPC WITH 128G FOR MX    $112,903.23


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On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Luca Salvatore <luca at ninefold.com> wrote:

> Anyone have have a ball park figure of what the MS-MIC will cost?
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Ben Dale <bdale at comlinx.com.au> wrote:
>
> > MS-MIC is out for the MX5-80:
> >
> > http://www.juniper.net/us/en/local/pdf/datasheets/1000454-en.pdf
> >
> > doesn't look like there isn't a services port on the back of the 104
> > though:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.juniper.net/shared/img/products/mx-series/mx104/mx104-rear-high.jpg
> >
> > maybe you can use one of the front slots?
> >
> > On 13 Nov 2013, at 2:52 pm, Skeeve Stevens <
> > skeeve+junipernsp at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone know how many users the MX104 will be able to handle
> though?
> > >
> > > The 4000 user limit on the MX80 was quite low.
> > >
> > > Does the MX104 have the services port on the back like the MX80?  I'm
> > waiting for the CGN Services card which was supposed to be released
> around
> > now.
> > >
> > >
> > > ...Skeeve
> > >
> > > Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
> > > skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
> > > Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
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> > >
> > > The Experts Who The Experts Call
> > > Juniper - Cisco - Cloud
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Ben Dale <bdale at comlinx.com.au>
> wrote:
> > > That and I think a lot of the BRAS "migration" functionality (LNS/LAC
> > etc) was late to the party after being told it wasn't going to happen for
> > anything lower than the 240.
> > >
> > > On 13 Nov 2013, at 12:51 pm, Bill Blackford <bblackford at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My personal feeling is the MX80 wasn't widely adopted as a lower
> > density
> > > > subscriber box given the lack of redundant REs. The MX104 may find
> it's
> > > > niche as a BRAS.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Eric Van Tol <eric at atlantech.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> One thing to keep in mind about these boxes is that, like the
> > > >> MX5/10/40/80, the built-in 10G ports do not do hierarchical QoS
> > (per-unit
> > > >> scheduling).  I'm confused as to why this is, considering they are
> > > >> Trio-based routers, but I digress.  I personally don't think that
> the
> > > >> astronomical cost to enable the 10G ports on all the low-end MX
> > routers is
> > > >> worth it, considering they can't even do per-unit scheduling.
> > > >>
> > > >> -evt
> > > >>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
> > > >> Behalf Of
> > > >>> joel jaeggli
> > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:00 PM
> > > >>> To: Saku Ytti
> > > >>> Cc: juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX104
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Saku Ytti <saku at ytti.fi> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On (2013-11-12 20:14 +0000), Tom Storey wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Why so much just to enable some ports? How do they come up with
> > that
> > > >>>>> kind of price? Pluck it out of thin air?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The hardware has been paid for, and I know thats only list
> pricing,
> > > >>>>> but it still seems ridiculous.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The question might have been rhetoric. But I'll bite.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The BOM on these boxes is nothing, I'm guessing less than 1kUSD.
> But
> > > >> the
> > > >>>> volume you can sell them also is very very small, so the margins
> > need
> > > >> to
> > > >>> be
> > > >>>> very high to be able to design and support them.
> > > >>>> Licensing allows you to sell to larger group of people, people who
> > > >>> normally
> > > >>>> would buy smaller/inferior box, now can afford it,  which in turn
> > > >> allows
> > > >>> you
> > > >>>> to reduce your margins, making you more competitive.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I actually like it. I wish vendors like Agilent/Ixia, Spirent
> would
> > > >> sell
> > > >>>> test-kit with some sort of 'per hours used' license. Lot of SPs
> have
> > > >> need
> > > >>> for
> > > >>>> proper testing kit, but only will need them very irregularly. And
> > > >> renting
> > > >>> is
> > > >>>> always such a chore. It's same thing there, BOM is nothing, but
> > volume
> > > >> is
> > > >>> even
> > > >>>> lower, so prices are ridiculously high, consequently proper
> testing
> > is
> > > >>> very
> > > >>>> rarely done by other than telco size SPs.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It's one of those things where you work with account team. if the
> > > >> commercial
> > > >>> terms don't work out for most potential buyers, then the product
> > won't be
> > > >>> successful and either things will change or they won't.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> ++ytti
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> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Bill Blackford
> > > >
> > > > Logged into reality and abusing my sudo privileges.....
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