[j-nsp] EX3300/4300 Switch MPLS CCC Support

[Robin Williams]

I've definitely got some sympathy for MPLS (and BGP in fact) being a 
licensed option given it's a feature most probably wouldn't want (albeit 
a very useful one for a niche who will pay a lot for an AFL to support 
it), but things like OSPF and IPv6 should be standard features and are 
on most competitors L3 switches.  I mean, taxing users wanting IPv6?  Is 
that Juniper's contribution to helping people push v6 support forward?

Robin



On 08/11/14 04:47, Tim Jackson wrote:
> Licenses for stupid SW features are total BS, here's to hoping that 
> Juniper figures this out. Probably not though.
>
> If I missed that, sorry..
>
> From what I know, MPLS on new EX is unlikely to happen (even though I 
> really really really want it). ACX is where MPLS on Broadcom based 
> products is going to happen (outside of the generous MPLS featureset 
> available on QFX today).
>
> --
> Tim
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Skeeve Stevens 
> <skeeve+junipernsp at eintellegonetworks.com 
> <mailto:skeeve+junipernsp at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>
>     I was referring to OSPF, IPv6, etc.. basic features....
>
>     and the fact you need an EFL and AFL now is just rude.
>
>
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>     On 8 November 2014 15:35, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jackson.tim at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Is MPLS CCC really a basic feature?
>
>         What other enterprise switch can do L2 over MPLS?
>
>         I'd imagine that EX4300 is capable of it (and more) that it
>         can do it,
>         but why waste the effort making l2circuit work on Broadcom DC/EX
>         chips? It wasn't promised in the switches datasheets, was it?
>
>         Push for cash?
>
>         Basic features?
>
>         You got shit for free now you expect it. I agree that shit
>         should just
>         appear from my vendors magically for free at prices cheaper
>         than their
>         competitors, but I also live in the real world where reality
>         and my
>         dreams aren't the same thing..
>
>         Then again, I'm also just an angry man waiting on his plane in
>         an airport...
>
>         --
>         Tim
>
>         On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>         <skeeve+junipernsp at eintellegonetworks.com
>         <mailto:skeeve%2Bjunipernsp at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>         > I agree... it is quite rude and seems to be just a push for cash
>         > considering what basic features these are.
>         >
>         >
>         > ...Skeeve
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>         > On 8 November 2014 12:26, Robin Williams
>         <robin.williams at tnp.net.uk <mailto:robin.williams at tnp.net.uk>>
>         wrote:
>         >
>         >> Hi all,
>         >>
>         >> We currently make some use of the MPLS CCC functionality of
>         EX3200 and
>         >> EX4200 switches with the AFL, but note that their
>         replacements EX3300 and
>         >> EX4300 don't have any MPLS support.  Does anyone know if
>         this is a
>         >> temporary lack of support while the box is being developed
>         further, or is
>         >> there no plans no bring this support back in the new
>         products?  I don't
>         >> like the way the EX3300 is being touted as the replacement
>         for the EX3200
>         >> but the feature set has entirely changed.
>         >>
>         >> I also think it's a bit rich that you now need an EFL
>         license for things
>         >> like OSPF support, where you didn't previously, and for the
>         AFL features
>         >> such as BGP, you now need both an EFL *AND* and AFL where
>         you previously
>         >> only needed an AFL.
>         >>
>         >> Would be interested to hear other opinions on this, to me
>         it all seems
>         >> like a bit of a silly move on the part of Juniper and a
>         gift to Cisco.
>         >>
>         >> Regards,
>         >> Robin.
>         >>
>