[j-nsp] Flex licensing on MPC10

[Javier Rodriguez]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the explanation. But, for example, suppose I have an ADVANCED
license for 5 years. After 5 years, I do not remember or see the alarms
from the equipment indicating that it will be out of license.
Will all features stop working?

Regards,

Javier.


El mié., 8 abr. 2020 a las 1:20, Richard McGovern via juniper-nsp (<
juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net>) escribió:

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> From: Richard McGovern <rmcgovern at juniper.net>
> To: Chris Wopat <me at falz.net>
> Cc: Juniper List <juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net>
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> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 04:18:21 +0000
> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Flex licensing on MPC10
> Yes Flex Licensing allows the license to move from one device, to
> another.  You purchase a Flex license which last for a period of time, and
> includes support - no extra Support SKU is needed.  The license is NOT tie
> to any hardware!  This is different than older original Perpetual License
> model.  There you purchased License (upfront cost) tie to a specific piece
> of HW, and then paid Support on top of this.  if you did not renew Support
> for the P License SKU, you lost ability to use those features, for
> basically like forever.
>
> At this time many Juniper Licensed features are "honor based" and Juniper
> uses EULA sort of like do not copy on DVDs __  A Flex License can only be
> used on one applicable product, at any moment in time.  If you want
> multiple products to be allowed to run any licensed feature, multiple
> license would need to be purchased.  Now in the future if features (some
> features are already there) are actually restricted without a license, if
> you move a Flex License from one system to another, the feature support
> moves with in. One major advantage for Flex vs Permanent Licenses, if you
> only want to use a feature for say 1 or 3 years, you purchase license with
> that length of time, and at the end you just do not renewal the license.
> Now 1 or 2 years down the road you determine you want that feature back,
> you just repurchase the license.  With Permanent you could stop renewing
> support after 1 or 3 years, but without continued Support Juniper is not
> required to allow a renewal when years are skipped.  Juniper may charge
> extra for years you skipped support for a P License, or make you purchased
> new License to get support.  The upfront Cost for Permanent plus Support is
> greater than the equivalent for Flex, but then the yearly cost of Flex
> (which includes Support) is greater than P License Renewal cost.  I believe
> based upon some calculations, that on average Permanent is more cost
> effective after like 7/8 years of use, vs Flex.  In todays every changing
> market dynamics, 7/8 years is like a very LONG time.
>
> Hopefully this helps.
>
> Just FYI, Rich
>
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> Richard McGovern
> Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks
> 978-618-3342
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> On 3/25/20, 3:32 PM, "Chris Wopat" <me at falz.net> wrote:
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>     Hey folks,
>
>     Anyone have MPC10's in production yet? Or perhaps any other shiny new
> Junos
>     thing that is coming with only "Flex" licensing out of the gate (so not
>     mx204, mx10k3).
>
>     We traditionally keep a warm spare device in the lab + purchase NBD
>     support, then spare from our lab whiile RMA'ing the faulty hardware.
> With
>     flex licensed items, there's the hw cost, support cost, and additional
>     license.
>
>
> https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/juniper-flex-program-support-for-hardware-platforms.html#MPC10E
>
>     Allegedly one can move the license around, but we're not quite sure
> how. Is
>     there a self serve portal for this? Does one have to go through JTAC?
>
>     How does the card act when unlicensed? IE we have it slotted in a lab
> MX
>     blowing air, but that MX has CoS and other things configured.
> According to
>     the link above, it looks like most things won't function without a
> license.
>     Does it just throw a red alarm (for now)? Would it be unusable to lab
> test
>     on various configs without a license?
>
>     Cheers
>     --Chris
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Javier I. Rodríguez Sotelo