[j-nsp] MX304 - Edge Router

[Ola Thoresen]

On 25.10.2023 19:20, Richard McGovern via juniper-nsp wrote:

> Crist, not quite 100% accurate. Perpetual License are permeant and last forever, but with newer Flex License structure also require a SW Support Contract. Subscription based licenses of course expire at end of the subscription date, but do include SW Support.
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> Trial and Demo licenses always come with end date, usually 60-90 days in the future. I am not 100% sure about expiration for Lab Licenses.

But the main issue here was whether the licenses are trust based or not.

Which means that even _without_ a license, an MX304 should be able to do 
almost anything that requires a license (except bng, macsec and possibly 
a few other special use cases) - although it would cause nagging in the 
logs and when committing.

I think this was cleared up earlier, that the OP probably experienced 
some other bug.

That is what's important for us. That functions don't stop working if a 
subscription license expires, and that you can try out a feature without 
buying a license first.


/Ola (T)


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> On 10/25/23, 11:02 AM, "Crist Clark" <cjc+j-nsp at pumpky.net> wrote:
> I think the key here is that the OP had evaluation licenses. Those are
> timed and things stop working when they expire. Purchased license are
> permanent and do not expire.
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> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:18 AM Mark Tinka via juniper-nsp <
> juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net<mailto:juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net>> wrote:
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>> On 10/25/23 14:42, Saku Ytti via juniper-nsp wrote:
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>>> But we can reject licenses that expire in operation and cause an
>>> outage. That I think is a very reasonable ask.  I know that IOS XE for
>>> example will do this, you run out of license and your box breaks. I
>>> swapped out from CRS1k to ASR1k because I knew the organisation would
>>> eventually fail to fix the license ahead of expiry.
>> We had this happen to us in 2014 when we recovered a failed server
>> running CSR1000v. The "installation evaluation" license expired after 60
>> days, and since everyone forgot about it, the box went down.
>>
>> So as part of our deployment/recovery procedure, we always procure
>> CSR1000v licenses for each installation.
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>> Of course, with things changing to Cat8000v, this could get juicy.
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>>> I'm happy if the device calls homes via https proxy, and reports my
>>> license use, and the sales droid tells me I'm not compliant with
>>> terms. Making it a commercial problem is fine, making it an acute
>>> technical problem is not.
>>>
>>>
>>> In your specific case, the ports never worked, you had to procure a
>>> license, and the license never dies. So from my POV, this is fine. And
>>> being absolutist here will not help, as then you can't even achieve
>>> reasonable compromise.
>> I tend to agree.
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