[Outages-discussion] FEMA, W.H. send victims to Internet

[Dale W. Carder]

It's fine to build moderately to highly engineered point to point links 
to support high bandwidth, but there is also a good case to be made
to integrate whatever you come up with to low-speed systems like winlink.
Just an idea...

73,
Dale (KC9OHW)
 
On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Hamm, Jack wrote:

> I'm seconding on ham radios.  
> 
> I don't expect everyone to get a license, but there can be enough critical mass to keep a pretty robust system up during emergencies.  I've been talking with some other hams in the SF Bay area about developing a field deployable, high-speed, network to support emergency services.  We can combine the best of modern technology with good ol'fashioned neighborliness to help each other out during emergencies.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jack Hamm (also a ham, N1REU)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:29 PM, VM wrote:
> 
>> I agree with your comments.  These days, people assume that everything  
>> went global and forget that their neighbors remain local.  Just  
>> walking outside seems too archaic for most folks these days.
>> 
>> What about using Citizen Band radios?  CB Radios are still around and  
>> work up to a radius of about 3 - 4 miles.  CB channel 9 was at one  
>> time monitored by local authorities and still may be.  If not, at  
>> least you may find a trucker willing to help.
>> 
>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Peter Rossi wrote:
>> 
>>> I figured this was the main issue, I just think it's more practical to
>>> expect the aforementioned Grandma to both live within a mile of
>>> someone else, and be able to operate a PTT radio.  If we're talking
>>> about residences over a mile apart, then we're talking about more
>>> isolated areas than north Jersey, which was mentioned.
>>> 
>>> I have a problem, and I realize it sounds conspiratorial, but I feel
>>> people should try to be a bit more self-sufficient (at least at the
>>> community level) and rely a bit less on the higher and more removed
>>> levels of government to help them deal with their problems, but that's
>>> a completely different discussion, I suppose.
>>> 
>>> Oh well,
>>> 
>>> -Peter
>>> I'm just this guy, you know?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Bill Wichers <billw at waveform.net>  
>>> wrote:
>>>> The usual range on those is less than a mile so they are of limited
>>>> usefulness in a large scale disaster. The ham stuff mentioned  
>>>> earlier can
>>>> use repeaters to cover a good-size area (small city) with  
>>>> handhelds. The
>>>> shortwave stuff can be setup to cover either a region (using NVIS) or
>>>> internationally. All of that can be done with simple and hastily  
>>>> erected
>>>> antennas in a pinch.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Peter Rossi" <phpete at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Peanut Gallery / Lurker here,
>>>> 
>>>> Why has no one mentioned good old fashioned 2way radios?  I know cell
>>>> phones have all but replaced them for Joe Average User, but who
>>>> doesn't have a set sitting up in the attic?  We charged our EM1000Rs
>>>> before the storm and used them both for weather updates, and for
>>>> finding other people in our area who needed help by scanning
>>>> periodically.  The batteries when fully charged can be made to last
>>>> quite a while by using them sparingly, and they're cheap.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe my issue is that I'm of the opinion  that the most important
>>>> contact is within your local community, and this wouldn't help with
>>>> "official" contact for everyone, but mesh networks can be powerful,
>>>> and someone's bound to be connected to an official channel.
>>>> 
>>>> Just my $0.02.
>>>> 
>>>> -Peter
>>>> I'm just this guy, you know?
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Byron L. Hicks
>>>> <byron.hicks at tx-learn.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/30/2012 10:27 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah, 'cause so many people have short wave gear that operates when
>>>>>> power has been out long enough for their smartphone to stop working
>>>>>> (or at all) these days.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, that is the point of ARRL Field Day:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.arrl.org/field-day
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73 de KD5KLL
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Byron L. Hicks
>>>>> Lonestar Education and Research Network
>>>>> Office: 972-883-4645
>>>>> Google Voice: 972-746-2549
>>>>> aim/skype: byronhicks
>>>>> 
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