[Outages-discussion] Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] [IP] Verizon customers out since Sandy in Manhattan...

[Jay Ashworth]

Dave Farber's list has Interesting stuff on it; can't vouch for Bruce.

Anyone got any ground-truth on this?

Cheers,
-- jra

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> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 17:44:38 -0400
> From: "DAVID J. FARBER" <farber at gmail.com>
> Subject: [IP] Verizon customers out since Sandy in Manhattan...
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> From: Bruce Kushnick <bruce at newnetworks.com>
> Subject: [OIA] Verizon customers out since Sandy in Manhattan...
> Date: April 21, 2013 4:46:37 PM EDT
> To: "oia at lists.bway.net" <oia at lists.bway.net>
> Reply-To: bruce at newnetworks.com
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> 
> Last night I spent hours with a very angry group of East Village -- in
> Manhattan -- residents and small businesses who HAVE NOT HAD THEIR
> SERVICE RESTORED SINCE SANDY -- Now going on 6 months.
> 
> And I also had a conversation with the CWA union guys who do the work
> on the New York City lines about this.
> 
> a) They are going to decline fixing your copper -- period... doesn't
> matter where you are.
> b) the are going to push you onto FIOS -- or try -- EVEN IF FIOS IS
> NOT ALREADY in your neighborhood --
> c) they are going to offer you a wireless substitute for DSL -- which
> cost goes through the roof as DSL is about 30-40 bucks -- Home Fusion,
> Verizon's wireless service starts at $60 and is $10. a gig after you
> use up what you buy.
> 
> but the real kicker -- they told people to go on FIOS even though it
> doesn't exist in their building -- and according to the Union, since
> they are NOT allowed to upgrade the copper -- and wireless is not a
> real substitute -- they'll not be reconnected -- and the Customer
> service reps don't know the story so they lie to the people about
> repairs, etc.
> 
> And on top of that, they keep billing these people and if they stop
> paying -- even though they have no service -- they get a 'disconnect
> notice and they'll have to pay the arrears or be placed into
> collections ---
> 
> There's no data about the outages and the numbers but this block
> association E9th street -- is in the Manhattan -- god know what
> happened in the boroughs -- and they appear to be simply a small
> sample of blocks without services --
> 
> But it's odd as some have service in the same building some don't --
> 
> So, DSL? ISDN -- phone service ---
> 
> Who cares about the IP-Transition when these people don't have
> broadband to use it-- and in areas without FiOS, there's wireless or
> leave.
> 
> B>
> 
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