[Outages-discussion] Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] [IP] Verizon customers out since Sandy in Manhattan...

[Jeremy Chadwick]

All I know is what I've read here for the past year:

March 2012:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Pushing-Troublesome-DSL-Users-Toward-FiOS-118689

November 2012:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/A-Look-at-Verizons-Decimated-NYC-Network-122097

November 2012 (user commentary thread, long):
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27713263-Verizon-not-going-to-replace-copper-damaged-by-Sandy

January 2013:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizons-CoppertoFiber-Migrations-Set-Glacial-Pace-122854

TL;DR -- I'm inclined to believe Farber/the folks in Manhattan.

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On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 02:54:32PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> Dave Farber's list has Interesting stuff on it; can't vouch for Bruce.
> 
> Anyone got any ground-truth on this?
> 
> Cheers,
> -- jra
> 
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> > From: "PRIVACY Forum mailing list" <privacy at vortex.com>
> > To: privacy-list at vortex.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:09:58 PM
> > Subject: [ PRIVACY Forum ] [IP] Verizon customers out since Sandy in Manhattan...
> > ----- Forwarded message from "DAVID J. FARBER" <farber at gmail.com>
> > -----
> > 
> > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 17:44:38 -0400
> > From: "DAVID J. FARBER" <farber at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [IP] Verizon customers out since Sandy in Manhattan...
> > Reply-To: dave at farber.net
> > To: ip <ip at listbox.com>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Begin forwarded message:
> > 
> > From: Bruce Kushnick <bruce at newnetworks.com>
> > Subject: [OIA] Verizon customers out since Sandy in Manhattan...
> > Date: April 21, 2013 4:46:37 PM EDT
> > To: "oia at lists.bway.net" <oia at lists.bway.net>
> > Reply-To: bruce at newnetworks.com
> > 
> > 
> > Last night I spent hours with a very angry group of East Village -- in
> > Manhattan -- residents and small businesses who HAVE NOT HAD THEIR
> > SERVICE RESTORED SINCE SANDY -- Now going on 6 months.
> > 
> > And I also had a conversation with the CWA union guys who do the work
> > on the New York City lines about this.
> > 
> > a) They are going to decline fixing your copper -- period... doesn't
> > matter where you are.
> > b) the are going to push you onto FIOS -- or try -- EVEN IF FIOS IS
> > NOT ALREADY in your neighborhood --
> > c) they are going to offer you a wireless substitute for DSL -- which
> > cost goes through the roof as DSL is about 30-40 bucks -- Home Fusion,
> > Verizon's wireless service starts at $60 and is $10. a gig after you
> > use up what you buy.
> > 
> > but the real kicker -- they told people to go on FIOS even though it
> > doesn't exist in their building -- and according to the Union, since
> > they are NOT allowed to upgrade the copper -- and wireless is not a
> > real substitute -- they'll not be reconnected -- and the Customer
> > service reps don't know the story so they lie to the people about
> > repairs, etc.
> > 
> > And on top of that, they keep billing these people and if they stop
> > paying -- even though they have no service -- they get a 'disconnect
> > notice and they'll have to pay the arrears or be placed into
> > collections ---
> > 
> > There's no data about the outages and the numbers but this block
> > association E9th street -- is in the Manhattan -- god know what
> > happened in the boroughs -- and they appear to be simply a small
> > sample of blocks without services --
> > 
> > But it's odd as some have service in the same building some don't --
> > 
> > So, DSL? ISDN -- phone service ---
> > 
> > Who cares about the IP-Transition when these people don't have
> > broadband to use it-- and in areas without FiOS, there's wireless or
> > leave.
> > 
> > B>
> > 
> > 
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