[Outages-discussion] [outages] Verizon Issues?

[Charles Sprickman]

I was replying to the post before mine, which had nothing to do with local public safety facilities...

> On Apr 21, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Frank Bulk <frnkblk at iname.com> wrote:
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> Shifting to outages-discussion
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> I don’t follow your assessment – almost every public safety facility (local police, fire and rescue, ambulance, etc) doesn’t have local loop redundancy.   Large facilities such as hospitals and major LEA headquarters, as well as PSAPs, but not the those smaller public safety facilities.  That’s not a reflection of VZ’s engineering, that’s just a reflection of reality.   They have redundancy through their radio communications. 
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> Frank
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> From: Outages [mailto:outages-bounces at outages.org] On Behalf Of Charles Sprickman via Outages
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:16 PM
> To: Ryan Chewning <ryan at chewning.us>
> Cc: outages at outages.org
> Subject: Re: [outages] Verizon Issues?
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> So in other words, VZ has under-engineered their network so that a single point of failure brings the entire 911 system down for the region?  At the prices government pays for telco contracts, one would hope that’s not the case.
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>> On Apr 21, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Ryan Chewning via Outages <outages at outages.org <mailto:outages at outages.org>> wrote:
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>> The 911 PSAP trunks / lines are provided by the LEC to the 911 center in most cases. If there aren't any other LECs near by then yes the 911 PSAPs could be without service. Not to mention that the radio traffic for some radio systems might travel over parts of the VZ network that are damaged. 
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>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Charles Goorsky via Outages <outages at outages.org <mailto:outages at outages.org>> wrote:
>>> So I'm skeptical about the truth of this comment, and I'm wondering if someone could set me a bit straighter:
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>>> "These reckless perpetrators are risking the lives of countless Americans by cutting access to key lines of communications, especially to local police, fire and rescue personnel."
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>>> Don't the local lines to police / fire go through the 911 dispatch? Wouldn't that be a municipal (city-owned) communications platform? If this is the case, wouldn't landline calls to 911 still work just fine?
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>>> Wouldn't a non-Verizon cellphone still also be able to get a call through?
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>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Damian Menscher via Outages <outages at outages.org <mailto:outages at outages.org>> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 11:30 AM, chris via Outages <outages at outages.org <mailto:outages at outages.org>> wrote:
>>>>> Anyone aware of any known outages/issues for FIOS? Have a handful of customers in northern NJ with business FIOS with 50%+  packet loss on all verizon hops. We have checked these customers and theres no congestion on their networks.
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>>>>> We're aware of the Verizon strike in progress and wondering if maybe some repair or maintenance is not being done because of the strike?
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>>>> ...or possibly worse: http://www.verizon.com/about/news/criminals-put-thousands-verizon-customers-out-service-cutting-cables-and-damaging-network <http://www.verizon.com/about/news/criminals-put-thousands-verizon-customers-out-service-cutting-cables-and-damaging-network>
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>>>> Damian
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>>>>> If anyone from VZ has ability to dig deeper or if anyone else is seeing similar issues would be good to hear.
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