[Outages-discussion] Fwd: [outages] facebook slow

Tue Nov 20 10:48:31 EST 2018

First, Silo Phenomena Arrogance would be a great name for a rock band.

:-)

Secondly, Russell nails it: just because some service isn't important *to you*,
that doesn't mean there are no people in the 12,000+ subscribership of the main
list to whom it isn't important, if not indeed business critical -- the Facebook 
OpenID service being one such example.

Whether using FB as an OpenID provider is a good idea -- much less whether OpenID
itself is a good idea -- are beyond the scope of our discussion here.

Russell, though, spurs me to write the list-reasons-and-expectations email he 
mentions; happily, I have a Long Holiday Weekend in which to do so.

And yes, Russ, first-of-the-month emails are common on technical lists; I have
about a dozen I can crib from for style.  :-}

Cheers,
-- jra

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Zen" <russellzen at outlook.com>
> To: outages-discussion at outages.org
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:40:41 AM
> Subject: [Outages-discussion] Fwd: [outages] facebook slow

> The fact that some people on this distro think Facebook DOESN'T provide business
> critical services tells me there is lack of awareness among some distro users.
> Just because a service might not be used in your particular employer or
> surrounding territory does not mean it just magically does not exist or isn't
> significant enough to call out on a distro list about outages.
> 
> What I'm seeing increasingly here (not just with facebook but other outages like
> YouTube, Google, Slack, etc) is either silo phenomena arrogance ("I just do
> network engineer stuff and that's all I care about nothing else matters even if
> they share network impact") or just complete lack of awareness (like not
> knowing that slack is increasingly used by global dev/ops teams or that
> Facebook has OpenID like capabilities that are used for enterprise sign in at
> some organizations that are otherwise business critical).
> 
> I'm no mod, so I don't enact changes, but if there's a suggestion I'd make, it's
> regular (quarterly? Monthly?) one time emails that go out to subscribed users
> on updated trends so users know what to expect. A one time call out BY THE MODS
> THEMSELVES that Facebook outages are okay to call out apparently is not enough
> for some users, so...
> 
> Get Outlook for Android
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> 
> From: Outages <outages-bounces at outages.org> on behalf of James Laszko via
> Outages <outages at outages.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:28:50 AM
> To: Ferullo, Michael J.
> Cc: outages at outages.org
> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow
> Not to be a negative Nancy, but the “me too‘s” are probably less valid of a post
> than the perceived less valuable social media outage posts.
> 
> Facebook does now host and provide business productivity tools, so does that
> change any relevance?
> 
> Happy Holidays!
> 
> 
> James Laszko
> Mythos Technology Inc
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> 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 7:25 AM, Ferullo, Michael J. via Outages <
> outages at outages.org > wrote:
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> Also much in agreement here. I signed up for this list for exactly what Mike
> stated: meaningful business critical services. I’d suggest someone spearhead
> the creation of another list for anything “social media” related.
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> Michael J. Ferullo
> Systems Administrator
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> Hinckley Allen
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> mferullo at hinckleyallen.com
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> From: Outages < outages-bounces at outages.org > On Behalf Of Steven McCrory via
> Outages
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM
> To: 'Mike Bolitho' < mikebolitho at gmail.com >; outages at ics-il.net ;
> outages at outages.org
> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow
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> Wholeheartedly agree
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> From: Outages < outages-bounces at outages.org > On Behalf Of Mike Bolitho via
> Outages
> Sent: 20 November 2018 15:18
> To: outages at ics-il.net
> Cc: outages at outages.org
> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow
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> I would encourage everyone to revisit the info page for the outages mailing list
> found here: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
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> " The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so
> that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones,
> etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a
> major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would
> suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such
> events so that everyone could benefit from it. "
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> The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud
> services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any
> meaningful business critical services, and therefore does not fit in this
> forum.
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> - Mike Bolitho
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> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages < outages at outages.org >
> wrote:
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> Facebook is a fairly commonly used service.
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> Also, it's currently broken and has been so for about an hour.
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> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
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> From: "Tanner Ryan via Outages" < outages at outages.org >
> To: "jimmy keffer" < horsezip at earthlink.net >
> Cc: outages at outages.org
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:50:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow
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> I don’t see the point of sending this in the outages mailing list.
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> Best,
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> Tanner Ryan
> canadatechguy at gmail.com
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