[Outages-discussion] Cogent disconnecting Russia

Jay R. Ashworth jra at baylink.com
Fri Mar 4 18:36:00 EST 2022


Nope.  This is for *discussion* of outages and potential outages, unlike the
main list.

As a moderator, I rule it on-topic for -discuss.

And the consensus seems the be pretty global: applying the Internet Death 
Penalty, in any fashion, to Russia would be counterproductive.

Cheers,
-- jra

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> From: "Savarrah Goss" <Savarrah.Goss at hamiltonrelay.com>
> To: "Sean Brown" <sean.brown at saminds.com>, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com>
> Cc: "Outages Discussion" <outages-discussion at outages.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 3:37:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Cogent disconnecting Russia

> Isn’t this for outage reporting and not discussing world affairs?
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> From: Outages-discussion <outages-discussion-bounces at outages.org> On Behalf Of
> Sean Brown
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 3:27 PM
> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
> Cc: Outages Discussion <outages-discussion at outages.org>
> Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Cogent disconnecting Russia
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> I disagree. It seems pretty obvious the ’neutral power’ reference are the
> signatory nations to the Convention not engaged in conflict and not every
> private entity therein. As such the US (in this case) couldn’t direct Cogent to
> disconnect from Russia and not Ukraine, but Cogent is free, as a private
> entity, to choose not to do business with companies in Russia.
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> The US is not directing Cogent to this action so the US is not in violation of
> the Convention, and Cogent is not a signatory to the Convention.
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> On Mar 4, 2022, at 2:59 PM, Owen DeLong < owen at delong.com > wrote:
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> It’s clear from the second paragraph of I.9 that this convention is written
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> to apply to “powers” (i.e. governments) and that each government is expected
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> to enforce compliance by companies operating under its “flag” for lack of a
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> As such, it seems, at least in theory that Cogent would be expected to be
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> of the same posture (neutrality or not) as the U.S. overall. I think it would
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> be hard to claim that the U.S. is either entirely neutral or entirely in support
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> of Ukraine under current conditions, so I guess that leaves Cogent free to
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> Personally, I’m of mixed opinion. I support doing whatever we can to hurt
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> Putin and the leadership of Russia that has created this situation, but I am
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> On Mar 4, 2022, at 11:36 , Matthew Petach < matt at petach.org > wrote:
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> If they're going to follow the War Conventions in the Hauge, they should
> likewise terminate all customer connections to Ukraine as well, if they're
> considering themselves to be a neutral party.
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> Of course, that doesn't apply if they're taking a side as a participant in the
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> Shamelessly copying from Sean Donelan...
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> https://www.icrc.org/en
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> Convention (V) respecting the Rights and Duties of Neutral Powers and
> Persons in Case of War on Land. The Hague, 18 October 1907.
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> CHAPTER I : THE RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF NEUTRAL POWERS - ART. 8.
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> Art. 8. A neutral Power is not called upon to forbid or restrict the use
> on behalf of the belligerents of telegraph or telephone cables or of
> wireless telegraphy apparatus belonging to it or to companies or private
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> CHAPTER I : THE RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF NEUTRAL POWERS - ART. 9.
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> Art. 9. Every measure of restriction or prohibition taken by a neutral
> Power in regard to the matters referred to in Articles 7 and 8
> must be impartially applied by it to both belligerents.
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> A neutral Power must see to the same obligation being observed by
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> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 11:20 Andy Ringsmuth < andy at andyring.com > wrote:
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> Apparently effective at noon EDT, which would be a couple hours ago.
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