[Outages-discussion] NTT - High Latency between Dallas and LA exchanges

[Joseph Jackson]

As a voip provider whose traffic is almost all UDP and a lot of it I had no idea this was something that people, much less ISPs thought.   I have never come across the idea that UDP traffic through routers at least in my experience was being rate limited.

Joseph


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From: Outages-discussion <outages-discussion-bounces at outages.org> on behalf of Gert Doering via Outages-discussion <outages-discussion at outages.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2023 7:56 AM
To: Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick at ianai.net>
Cc: Outages Discussion <outages-discussion at outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] NTT - High Latency between Dallas and LA exchanges

Hi,

On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 08:18:58AM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore via Outages-discussion wrote:
> Yet you think this is Google???s fault by advocating for an open protocol which has objective benefits to end users? What am I missing?

Building a new protocol on top of UDP when it's well-known that many
ISPs rate-limit UDP (due to "there is no large amounts of UDP in the
wide area Internet, except for reflective DDoS crap") is not exactly
a very smart move.

Nothing about QUIC is really a smart move, beyond "we're google, we can
do what we want" - and IETF being what it is, if you have strong enough
vendor backing, you can get anything standardized.

gert
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Gert Doering - Munich, Germany                             gert at greenie.muc.de
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