[Outages-discussion] Way OT: NYC-area "Carrier Hotels" in it for the long term?

[Charles Sprickman]

I have no idea where to go for questions like this these days, so maybe a little reliability angle here can help me wedge this question into being a on-topic...

As I understand it, the three "big" carrier hotels here are:

- 111 8th Avenue
- 60 Hudson
- 165 Halsey (Newark)

The colo space seems to be a mess right now, but perhaps we're going to see that recover as more people do the math on "cloud repatriation". But in that list, I think 111 8th is not long for this world as google fails to renew some leases (ex: Level3/Lumen is out next year).

Now both 60 Hudson and 165 Halsey are old, not purpose-built, not particularly hardened for security/weather, and as best I can tell, have a bit of an ad-hoc, tenant-driven setup for backup power and fuel for same. Currently, sitting in 111 8th since the mid-90's, I know they've simply not lost backup power - not around 9/11, the big east coast blackout, or Sandy. This doesn't feel like a high bar, but I feel like in general people are not as demanding as they were pre-cloud with this sort of stuff.

Anyone here willing to speak to the reliability of 165 Halsey or 60 Hudson? I feel like not too long ago someone had posted about some issues at 165 Halsey - power issues I think? Or fire? I'm not even sure what the situation is with the river that runs through Newark...

I've heard some rumblings that 60 Hudson may not be long for this world, but I think that's people mistaking some tenants (like Lumen/Level3) just exiting a business that's not their focus anymore (colo in carrier hotels).

Also happily will take any info/rumors/anecdotes on either!

Thanks,

Charles