[Outages-discussion] Way OT: NYC-area "Carrier Hotels" in it for the long term?

[Joseph Jackson]

We moved from 60 Hudson to Equinix NY5 across the river in Secaucus,  one of the nicer DCs I've ever seen and all your cross connects will be easily provided.  So if you don't NEED to be on Manhattan then I think NY5 is a pretty great pick.




Joseph


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From: Outages-discussion <outages-discussion-bounces at outages.org> on behalf of Charles Sprickman via Outages-discussion <outages-discussion at outages.org>
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To: Matthew Petach <matt at petach.org>
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Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Way OT: NYC-area "Carrier Hotels" in it for the long term?



> On Dec 6, 2024, at 5:13 PM, Matthew Petach <matt at petach.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> I'm curious what your criteria are; I noticed you left 25 Broadway and 32 Avenue of the Americas
> off your list of NYC carrier hotels, but included 165 Halsey even though it's not in NYC.

If I'm to believe wikipedia, the three I included are the "big 3" for the NYC area. And considering 165 does international cable landing stuff as well, I think that certainly elevates it.

I wasn't aware Telehouse was still in 25 Broadway, but unless it's changed quite a bit, that was very much a secondary site for Telehouse, and was an absolute mess (they let you run your own x-conns - which has more downsides than upsides I think). Two folks I worked with pulled out of there after 9/11, but their issues with power and failing transfer switches for the gensets pre-dated that.

I don't think most of the people we have NNIs from are in 32 Avenue of the Americas.

> Are you looking for recommendations on carrier hotels in NYC, including ones not on your list,
> or are you specifically just wanting to know information about those two locations only because
> of $reasons?

Just want a place I can park these people and never think about moving again. The thinking with using "carrier hotels" is that the more people you have dependent on a place existing, the better chance there is of it not going away.

>
> Understanding better what it is you're looking for will drive better responses to your inquiry.  ^_^;

1 rack, hardly any power (a few servers, a router, a few switches), and cheap x-conns to GTT, Crown Castle, Lumen/L3, HE, Spectrum, Pilot, and TWT (whoever they may be now, I don't even know).

Does that clarify? Basically what we had until Google bought 111 8th - I think we were there for, shit... 30 years now. That sort of longevity.

Charles

>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 1:16 PM Charles Sprickman via Outages-discussion <outages-discussion at outages.org> wrote:
> I have no idea where to go for questions like this these days, so maybe a little reliability angle here can help me wedge this question into being a on-topic...
>
> As I understand it, the three "big" carrier hotels here are:
>
> - 111 8th Avenue
> - 60 Hudson
> - 165 Halsey (Newark)
>
> The colo space seems to be a mess right now, but perhaps we're going to see that recover as more people do the math on "cloud repatriation". But in that list, I think 111 8th is not long for this world as google fails to renew some leases (ex: Level3/Lumen is out next year).
>
> Now both 60 Hudson and 165 Halsey are old, not purpose-built, not particularly hardened for security/weather, and as best I can tell, have a bit of an ad-hoc, tenant-driven setup for backup power and fuel for same. Currently, sitting in 111 8th since the mid-90's, I know they've simply not lost backup power - not around 9/11, the big east coast blackout, or Sandy. This doesn't feel like a high bar, but I feel like in general people are not as demanding as they were pre-cloud with this sort of stuff.
>
> Anyone here willing to speak to the reliability of 165 Halsey or 60 Hudson? I feel like not too long ago someone had posted about some issues at 165 Halsey - power issues I think? Or fire? I'm not even sure what the situation is with the river that runs through Newark...
>
> I've heard some rumblings that 60 Hudson may not be long for this world, but I think that's people mistaking some tenants (like Lumen/Level3) just exiting a business that's not their focus anymore (colo in carrier hotels).
>
> Also happily will take any info/rumors/anecdotes on either!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles
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