[Outages-discussion] Way OT: NYC-area "Carrier Hotels" in it for the long term?

[Charles Sprickman]

> On Dec 6, 2024, at 5:13 PM, Matthew Petach <matt at petach.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Charles,
> 
> I'm curious what your criteria are; I noticed you left 25 Broadway and 32 Avenue of the Americas 
> off your list of NYC carrier hotels, but included 165 Halsey even though it's not in NYC.

If I'm to believe wikipedia, the three I included are the "big 3" for the NYC area. And considering 165 does international cable landing stuff as well, I think that certainly elevates it.

I wasn't aware Telehouse was still in 25 Broadway, but unless it's changed quite a bit, that was very much a secondary site for Telehouse, and was an absolute mess (they let you run your own x-conns - which has more downsides than upsides I think). Two folks I worked with pulled out of there after 9/11, but their issues with power and failing transfer switches for the gensets pre-dated that.

I don't think most of the people we have NNIs from are in 32 Avenue of the Americas.

> Are you looking for recommendations on carrier hotels in NYC, including ones not on your list, 
> or are you specifically just wanting to know information about those two locations only because 
> of $reasons?

Just want a place I can park these people and never think about moving again. The thinking with using "carrier hotels" is that the more people you have dependent on a place existing, the better chance there is of it not going away.

> 
> Understanding better what it is you're looking for will drive better responses to your inquiry.  ^_^;

1 rack, hardly any power (a few servers, a router, a few switches), and cheap x-conns to GTT, Crown Castle, Lumen/L3, HE, Spectrum, Pilot, and TWT (whoever they may be now, I don't even know).

Does that clarify? Basically what we had until Google bought 111 8th - I think we were there for, shit... 30 years now. That sort of longevity.

Charles

> 
> Thanks!  
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 1:16 PM Charles Sprickman via Outages-discussion <outages-discussion at outages.org> wrote:
> I have no idea where to go for questions like this these days, so maybe a little reliability angle here can help me wedge this question into being a on-topic...
> 
> As I understand it, the three "big" carrier hotels here are:
> 
> - 111 8th Avenue
> - 60 Hudson
> - 165 Halsey (Newark)
> 
> The colo space seems to be a mess right now, but perhaps we're going to see that recover as more people do the math on "cloud repatriation". But in that list, I think 111 8th is not long for this world as google fails to renew some leases (ex: Level3/Lumen is out next year).
> 
> Now both 60 Hudson and 165 Halsey are old, not purpose-built, not particularly hardened for security/weather, and as best I can tell, have a bit of an ad-hoc, tenant-driven setup for backup power and fuel for same. Currently, sitting in 111 8th since the mid-90's, I know they've simply not lost backup power - not around 9/11, the big east coast blackout, or Sandy. This doesn't feel like a high bar, but I feel like in general people are not as demanding as they were pre-cloud with this sort of stuff.
> 
> Anyone here willing to speak to the reliability of 165 Halsey or 60 Hudson? I feel like not too long ago someone had posted about some issues at 165 Halsey - power issues I think? Or fire? I'm not even sure what the situation is with the river that runs through Newark...
> 
> I've heard some rumblings that 60 Hudson may not be long for this world, but I think that's people mistaking some tenants (like Lumen/Level3) just exiting a business that's not their focus anymore (colo in carrier hotels).
> 
> Also happily will take any info/rumors/anecdotes on either!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Charles
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