[VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
Paul Timmins
paul at timmins.net
Thu Jun 16 19:35:44 EDT 2011
Correct - I've had a few try to convince us that they themselves
required an ICA but they generally backed down from that.
You should really have a formal relationship with ILECs anyway, if
you'll be porting from them. You have OSS systems you'll want access to
for LSRs/CSRs and ticket opening, and you'll want to get accessable
letters for things that might affect your relationships or routing.
If you're going to do this multi-ILEC thing, make sure both ICAs include
something about traffic from other ILECs transiting their tandems.
-Paul
On 06/16/2011 07:19 PM, Eric Hiller wrote:
> Ah, so it is just CLECs ala Level 3 and XO that let us do this then?
>
> -Eric
>
> On Thu, June 16, 2011 6:15 pm, Paul Timmins wrote:
>
>> No ILEC I've ever seen will let you port without an ICA
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2011 07:12 PM, Eric Hiller wrote:
>>
>>> Carlos,
>>>
>>> But what if you were in a LATA where ATT is and you have no ICA with ATT
>>> just some other ILEC in the LATA? Are you saying that ATT would not
>>> allow
>>> you to port any numbers from them without an ICA?
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
>>> On Thu, June 16, 2011 5:30 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Eric,
>>>>
>>>> We just went through this battle with att we thought the same but
>>>> reading
>>>> deep into our ICA we had to get minimum trunks to all the tandems in
>>>> the
>>>> lata 2x t1's and then we ordered the majority of our trunking at the
>>>> tandem where we homed our LRN. It sucks but we haven't found a way
>>>> around
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Carlos Alcantar
>>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>>> 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080
>>>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos *at* race.com /
>>>> www.race.com<http://www.race.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/16/11 2:02 PM, "Eric Hiller"<clec at cygnustel.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata
>>>>> for
>>>>> TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said?
>>>>>
>>>>> For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on
>>>>> every
>>>>> tandem in the LATA now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted
>>>>> to
>>>>> do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA
>>>>> as
>>>>> well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mary Lou,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the
>>>>>> lata.
>>>>>> At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> LRN is going to sit at.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carlos Alcantar
>>>>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>>>>> 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080
>>>>>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 Fax: +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com /
>>>>>> www.race.com<http://www.race.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey"<marylou at backuptelecom.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN
>>>>>>> tandem
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking
>>>>>>> established
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the
>>>>>>> LATA
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> yourself. Make sense?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mary Lou Carey
>>>>>>> BackUP Telecom Consulting
>>>>>>> CLEC Consultant
>>>>>>> OFF: 615-791-9969
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Eric Hiller
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM
>>>>>>> To: voiceops at voiceops.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx
>>>>>>> holder?
>>>>>>> IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands
>>>>>>> block
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by
>>>>>>> Company
>>>>>>> B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into
>>>>>>> Tandem
>>>>>>> C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be
>>>>>>> company
>>>>>>> A,B or some third company C correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well
>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> -Eric Hiller
>>>>>>> Cygnus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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