[VoiceOps] Number Portability Within a Carrier

[Matthew S. Crocker]

In his example the tier 1 carrier is not changing.  There is no formal LNP port being done.  The tier 2 is changing but both tier 2 carriers use the same tier 1. 

The solution is to become tier 1 and handle your own LNP push and pulls

On Oct 11, 2012, at 1:08 AM, Paul Timmins <paul at timmins.net> wrote:

> Well, the easy (?) way is to make a test call, or open a ticket with your tier 1.
> 
> But yes, I was stating directly that if your tier 1 doesn't provide you notification of line loss, they're incompetent.
> 
> In order to take your numbers away, the tier 1 would have to be involved (obviously) so if they don't notify you of a loss of customer, then that's just ridiculous. Generally, you can't tell otherwise, as the only difference between you and someone else is a route index in their switch, and a change to their billing system to account for usage. If you don't have access to one of those two items, you can't tell directly.
> 
> -Paul
> 
> 
> On Oct 11, 2012, at 0:46 , Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> wrote:
> 
>> The problem is that I have no way of (a) knowing if they are competent and
>> my provider is incompetent or (b) the tier 1 is incompetent. And if it is
>> the tier 1, are you saying I'm simply SOL? Regardless of who is and who
>> isn't, I'm hoping someone has figured out how to figure it out and to share
>> their inside knowledge.
>> 
>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Paul Timmins wrote:
>> 
>>> If your tier 1 is competent, they're passing CSR requests and providing some sort of loss notification.
>>> 
>>> If they fail to provide same, well, then they're not competent.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 22:52 , Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So there are some pretty big Tier 1 names in the DID/telecom world: Level3,
>>>> Verizon, Bandwidth.com. Many resellers resell the DIDs they get from these
>>>> bigger companies.
>>>> 
>>>> The problem is that the Tier 1 company shows up as the "owner" of phone
>>>> numbers that we get from our Tier 2 or even Tier 3 providers. That's all
>>>> fine and good, but the problem is this:
>>>> 
>>>>  Me ------> Tier 2 provider --> Tier 1 provider
>>>>                              /
>>>>  Not Me --> Tier 2 provider /
>>>> 
>>>> When someone submits a request to port a number, and they port it to a
>>>> different Tier 2 provider that gets its numbers from the same Tier 1
>>>> provider, I have no way, not even with an LNP dip, to find out that it was
>>>> ported, that the owner had changed.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm pretty sure Tier 1 providers don't have an API or any way that I might
>>>> be able to find out that they moved a number from one of their direct
>>>> customers to another. Am I wrong?
>>>> 
>>>> So how do we deal with this? How do we find out, in a definitive and
>>>> authoritative and programmatic manner, when a number we think is ours is
>>>> ported away?
>>>> 
>>>> Beckman
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