[VoiceOps] Creating an International Rate Deck

Tue Jun 4 18:07:04 EDT 2019

I used Verizon's US based SIP trunks. Not using them currently though due
to not being able to get ahold of our account manager. I believe they have
multiple quality tiers.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 2:45 PM Dovid Bender <dovid at telecurve.com> wrote:

> I need to get whatever Verizon link your using. We have multiple trunks
> with them (SIP & SS7) in Europe and as of late it's been hit or miss.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 5:43 PM Jared Geiger <jared at compuwizz.net> wrote:
>
>> If you're using Thinq for international and don't want to deal with LCR
>> and generating rates for just a small amount of traffic, build a Verizon
>> International only trunk with them and push all your traffic out there. You
>> probably won't run into many issues. The slightly higher rates will be
>> easier than dealing with the management headaches. Verizon does a really
>> good job about keeping FAS out from the areas I've used them on.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:29 AM Shripal Daphtary <shripald at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> this is all so annoying b/c we do so little international,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 1:57 PM Jared Geiger <jared at compuwizz.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another annoyance to watch out for is all codes from various carriers
>>>> won't match up. For example UK Landlines. Some carriers will say country
>>>> code 44 is landlines and give you a rate, then break out 447XXX for the
>>>> mobiles. Others will give a rate for 441 and 442. Then some will give a
>>>> rate for 442, 4420, 44203, 44207 or some combination of those which they
>>>> should all end up being compressed to 442. So your LCR has to do the
>>>> longest prefix match per carrier and then compare against carriers. Not
>>>> necessarily shortest prefix match. For example:
>>>>
>>>> Number dialed: 44-20-7499-9000
>>>> Carrier A: 44 - 0.0025
>>>> Carrier B: 442 - 0.0045
>>>> Carrier C: 44207 - 0.0085
>>>>
>>>> The obvious LCR is carrier A, but the last time I tested A2Billing, it
>>>> would say Carrier C is the winner because the rest of the carriers don't
>>>> have a rate for 44207. The other LCR option at the time would do shortest
>>>> prefix match which could cause issues with mobile calls being incorrectly
>>>> routed and rated. Things may have changed as my experience with A2Billing
>>>> was many years ago, but it should apply to LCR calculations in general.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:24 AM Shripal Daphtary <shripald at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Paul and Dovid --
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess the question is what if i get a completion for the most
>>>>> expensive carrier as opposed to the cheapest, and it turns out i'm
>>>>> underwater?  The issue is the variance btw carrier1 (cheapest) and carrier6
>>>>> (most expensive) could be 40 cents at times or more.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll take a look at GCS and R&R as well
>>>>>
>>>>> We have an implementation of a2 billing to route international, but
>>>>> use it mostly to limit fraud exposure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:36 AM Paul Stamoulis <
>>>>> pstamoulis at onestoptel.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Int’l rating and routing is not for the feint of heart or the hurried
>>>>>> – 215k of unique rating/routing options or “breakouts” as known in the
>>>>>> industry, is not too bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can use MS excel if you have the time to continually update and
>>>>>> are familiar with excel macros but remember that rate updates come at least
>>>>>> 5once or twice a week with most vendors so times that by the number of
>>>>>> vendors and be ready to update-update-update or else you can lose money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may be better off either purchasing specialized SW or using one
>>>>>> of the many cloud based companies to manage your rates for you; GCS is one
>>>>>> such company in the USA and R&R is another – I have no relations with
>>>>>> either company but I hear that they are both decent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should try to use all 6 carriers because, you are going to find
>>>>>> that when one of the cheaper vendors does NOT work to one of the breakouts,
>>>>>> then usually the other cheap vendors do NOT either. That’s when you need to
>>>>>> be 6 or more routes deep or risk upsetting clients.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as the mark-up on rates, don’t sweat that too much round up
>>>>>> and have a larger markup for the cheaper rates. For retial certainly , you
>>>>>> should have more than enough room and for wholesale int’l sales, well
>>>>>> that’s a whole other subject that gets much more complex… good luck,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Paul Stamoulis    +1 212 444 3003     Onestopcorp – thousands of
>>>>>> technology solutions... just one call!*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Please connect at
>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-stamoulis-56504531/
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-stamoulis-56504531/>*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> *On Behalf Of *Shripal
>>>>>> Daphtary
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 10:10 AM
>>>>>> *To:* VoiceOps at voiceops.org
>>>>>> *Subject:* [VoiceOps] Creating an International Rate Deck
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey group,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a question that I have been struggling with for years and have
>>>>>> never come up with a good solution for.  It revolves around International
>>>>>> Rate Deck creation, but i guess it could be for any tariff.   We have
>>>>>> multiple carriers for International, however, i'm trying out Thinq right
>>>>>> now so we can use their LCR.  Our other carriers aren't very successful
>>>>>> with Intl.  Thinq's rate deck to me is 6 carriers for each prefix, making
>>>>>> it around 215,000 lines. The carrier(s) that have the lowest cost for each
>>>>>> prefix varies, so i can't turn off the most expensive three or something
>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was thinking of taking the least expensive 3 carriers and then
>>>>>> averaging them and creating my rate from that average and then only allow
>>>>>> Thinq to go 3 carriers deep. Does anyone have any experience with this?
>>>>>>  Are there any best practices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second part of the question is how does one calculate the profit
>>>>>> margin?  Let's say you wanted to make 35% for retail and 20% for wholesale,
>>>>>> but if you call UK landline, the cost is only 0.004.  Your rate  would be
>>>>>> 0.0054 for retail and 0.0048, which is nothing.  We have been doing
>>>>>> something like If your cost is less than 0.03, then increase by 35% or 20%
>>>>>> or whatever.  however, that doesn't always work if the cost is super close
>>>>>> to your target.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have any hard and fast rules that they use when creating
>>>>>> decks? is there software that can help my puny brain think through this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shri
>>>>>>
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