[VoiceOps] Disclosing Restricted Caller ID to customer

[Nick Olsen]

With us specifically. We're Asterisk based. Asterisk doesn't pass the RPID
field to the B-LEG of the call. So it's not passed to my customer.

The better question becomes where is that line drawn? I'm just buying it
wholesale from the usual suspects. It seems like that data shouldn't be
passed to wholesale customers (Like me).

*Nick Olsen*
Network Engineer
Office: 321-408-5000 x103
Mobile: 321-794-0763



On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 2:02 PM Faisal Imtiaz <faisal at snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> Cool,
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> Looks like it is similar laws here in the USA too..
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> I stand corrected…
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> https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/12/01/2017-25917/calling-number-identification-service-caller-id
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> Though I am curious about a scenario…
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> Client is running his own pbx, and running Homer ..
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> Would the Caller ID be visible to them in the homer trace ?
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> Regards
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> Faisal Imtiaz
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> Snappy Internet & Telecom
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> http://www.snappytelecom.net
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> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
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> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support at Snappytelecom.net
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> *From:* Victor C <victor.chukalovskiy at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 1:23 PM
> *To:* Faisal Imtiaz <faisal at snappytelecom.net>
> *Cc:* Matthew Crocker <matthew at corp.crocker.com>; Nick Olsen <
> nick at floridavirtualsolutions.com>; voiceops at voiceops.org
> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Disclosing Restricted Caller ID to customer
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> Can’t speak for US, but at least in Canada what you described wont fly.
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> You have obligations as a carrier to honour restricted caller id received
> from PSTN if the caller choose to withhold it. If your paying customer is
> not happy with a private incoming call, they should contact police as
> someone earlier suggested. If deemed necessary, police or court or whatever
> authority will reach to you for the private caller id.
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> If you just disclose caller id on your customers request as you described,
> you may just as well disregard rpid / whatever privacy flag you have from
> pstn all together. But people dont do that afaik.
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> On Sep 9, 2019, at 13:13, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal at snappytelecom.net> wrote:
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> Who is your customer ?  The Caller or the Called Entity ?
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> Your obligations are to your paying customer….. (which in this case is the
> Called Entity)
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> You have zero obligations to the caller….
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> If your client is asking for the information, and you have it, you may
> choose to provide it.
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> What your client does with it, is not your concern.
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> (Law enforcement overrides your agreement of keeping your clients
> information confidential )
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> My two cents !
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> Faisal Imtiaz
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> Snappy Internet & Telecom
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> http://www.snappytelecom.net
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> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
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> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support at Snappytelecom.net
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> *From:* VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> *On Behalf Of *Matthew
> Crocker
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 1:02 PM
> *To:* Nick Olsen <nick at floridavirtualsolutions.com>; voiceops at voiceops.org
> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Disclosing Restricted Caller ID to customer
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> You don’t know if it really is harassment.
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> Tell the customer you have the call details and will retain the data for
> 90 days.  Have them call the police and open a case for harassment.  The
> police can get a subpoena and request the call data.
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> *From: *VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Nick Olsen <
> nick at floridavirtualsolutions.com>
> *Date: *Monday, September 9, 2019 at 12:50 PM
> *To: *"voiceops at voiceops.org" <voiceops at voiceops.org>
> *Subject: *[VoiceOps] Disclosing Restricted Caller ID to customer
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> Greetings all, Had an interesting case come up today that I wanted some
> feedback on.
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> Customer called claiming they had been receiving harassing calls to their
> business number, But the calls were caller ID blocked (Caller likely dialed
> *67 before the call). I found the CDR's for the call in question, And sure
> enough "Anonymous" <Restricted> was the displayed Calling number and CNAM.
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> Out of curiosity, I went and pulled the capture of the same call from
> Homer. And sure enough, The actual calling number is delivered in the
> Remote-Party-ID field, With Privacy=full.
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> Obviously, The caller asked for... and expected that data to be private.
> What's everyones thoughts on the legality of disclosing that information to
> my customer receiving the call? Would you provide it on request to the end
> user? Or limit that information only if requested by legal request? (Court
> order or request from law enforcement)
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> *Nick Olsen*
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> Network Engineer
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> Office: 321-408-5000 x103
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> Mobile: 321-794-0763
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