[VoiceOps] Fake Voicemail Anti-Robocall Tactics

Joel Stalder jstalder at panterranetworks.com
Tue Feb 16 14:21:31 EST 2021


Agreed that the threat of carrier blocking should be a serious deterrent
but blocking based on the SHAKEN root cert or SPID isn’t the only method.
There is an expectation of easy/instant traceback too, which will hopefully
generate onerous support costs for the offending carrier(s) before a BFH is
required.



I think of caller verification and spam/fraud/robocall mitigation as two
potentially related but separate tools. If my network receives a call that
is SHAKEN-verified but has a very high spam/fraud/robocall score, it’s
blocked (SIP 608 response). The FCC has provided legal “safe harbor” to
block such calls without the potential threat of liability, as long as the
required processes are in-place to remove erroneous blocking.



-Joel



*From:* VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> *On Behalf Of *Paul Timmins
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*Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Fake Voicemail Anti-Robocall Tactics



I expect that people will attest spam. But we're allowed to block carriers
by spid if we want if we start getting garbage. The effective telecom death
penalty that'd create (along with the liability) will be an interesting
enforcement mechanism.


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*From:* VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> on behalf of Nick Olsen <
nick at 141networks.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2021 1:27 PM
*To:* Karl Douthit
*Cc:* Voiceops.org
*Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Fake Voicemail Anti-Robocall Tactics



My faith in STIR/SHAKEN has all but collapsed. I think we're just going to
end up in a situation where even the SPAM is attested. At least having a
breadcrumb to follow might help.



Given the current state of SS. I won't hold my breath.



On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 12:44 PM Karl Douthit <karl at piratel.com> wrote:

Stir will only help if carriers actually pass or allow tokens.  Still
waiting on several tier 1 carriers to take them.



On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 9:35 AM Glen Gerhard <glen at cognexus.net> wrote:

Hopefully Stir/Shaken will make this a moot point. Calvin, are you saying
that a 608 is the recommended response for a call that is being rejected
due to S/S attestation or CVT reasons?

~Glen

On 2/16/2021 8:19 AM, Calvin Ellison wrote:

Today we received a notice from one of our underlying carriers that
included the following statement:



* If a customer spoofs an ANI that they do not own, the clec's can forward
to call to a voiceless Voicemail which appears to be FAS.



Is there any legal device that actually supports this practice? I'm looking
for a specific statute, FCC rule, precedent in a judicial ruling, or the
like.



The FCC has ruled that the SIP 608 response code is to be used for
signaling when a call is rejected. I doubt the FCC or FTC has ruled that
terminating carriers are permitted to cause loss of trust and revenue
between upstream intermediate and originating carriers.





Regards,



*Calvin Ellison*
Systems Architect
calvin.ellison at voxox.com
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