[VoiceOps] Ray Baum's act and all-softphone deployments

Mon Sep 27 15:28:40 EDT 2021

We would need GPS capabilities on our Polycom / Softphones if we ever need
to match cellular e911.

Not only that but we need to share liability with internet connectivity...
cell phone guys are vertically integrated.

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On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 9:22 AM Brandon Svec via VoiceOps <
voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:

> Yeah, the intersection of the law and voice technology is interesting..
>
> Even though RC does allow end users to update their location relatively
> easily, I notice they still have this disclaimer that makes it near
> pointless-
>
> "It may take up to several hours for the address update to take effect"
>
> I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me if your TOS says something like,
> "you need to tell us in writing where you are if there is to be any chance
> of us routing your 911 call to the right place." that should be
> defensible.  What other option is there?
>
> Someday I could imagine voip providers held to the same or similar
> standard of mobile providers.  Some political will and technology
> improvement could make it feasible in the future for a softphone on any
> device with location services to share that info for e911 purposes.
>
>
> *Brandon *
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 12:01 PM Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We don't have a web portal for customers to do this, so it probably can't
>> be our position.  We do have a ToS that says customers have to notify us by
>> email or support ticket if they move.  I don't believe anyone ever has.  I
>> wonder if that could still apply.
>>
>> Separately, I find this ridiculous.  WTF?  Can't use Wi-Fi for calls?
>> with respect to only the RingCentral Mobile Application, if you do not
>> have mobile service, as the RingCentral Mobile Application cannot send
>> emergency calls over Wi-Fi access
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 11:47 AM Brandon Svec <bsvec at teamonesolutions.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I *think* this sums it up.  RingCentral is big if not the biggest and I
>>> say that only because they undoubtably have a large legal team and got this
>>> right.  They basically have a disclaimer that makes it the responsibility
>>> of the end user or customer administrator to update their location whenever
>>> they move around.  Silly, I know.. but I think this is a defensible
>>> position to take legally.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ringcentral.com/legal/last-update-October-15-2019/emergency-services.html#ring-promo-202103
>>> *Brandon *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 11:37 AM Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just had a call with Bandwidth about using their Dynamic Location
>>>> Routing product to fill in the very specific location info required by this
>>>> act.  However, I asked them a question he said had never been asked; what
>>>> are we to do with permanently mobile (all softphone) companies.  I can't
>>>> believe that in 2021, people are still insisting on physical phones all the
>>>> time.  I've get several soft-only customers, or maybe a physical phone for
>>>> a couple of receptionist type people.  Some have offices that they almost
>>>> never use.
>>>>
>>>> So...what are the rest of you doing with this?
>>>>
>>>> I thought there was a legal option to say "don't use your mobile
>>>> softphone" but maybe not?
>>>>
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